Dangerous Conversations Episode #3: The Gilberts go GLOBAL!

[00:00:00] Speaker A: The Legends of Memphis Wrestling Return to Jackson, Saturday, September 21st at the picture Perfect Event Center. It will be a night to remember. Featuring the stars you watched every Saturday morning on tv. Be there for the Fan Fest meet and greet at 3:30 and the official Memphis Wrestling hall of Fame induction ceremony at 7pm featuring Jerry the King Lawler, Superstar Bill Dundee, the Boogie Woogie Man, Handsome Jimmy Valiant, Dangerous Doug Gilbert, Wildfire Tommy Rich, the Rock n Roll Express, pg. 13, Downtown Bruno the Birdman, Coco Beware Dr. Tom Prichard, the Dirty White Boy, Tony Anthony, Nightmare Danny dav, Terry Golden, Sir Mo the Spellbinder, Tony Falk, Carl Fergie, Jerry Calhoun, Michael St. John and more. Plus a special reunion of the stars from TV5 Power Pro Wrestling and KAW. The Legends of Memphis Wrestling return to Jackson, Saturday September 21st at the Picture Perfect Event center. Sponsored by Budweiser Pro Shingle, Thomas Medium Slide N Ride Rodeo and WBBJ tv. Tickets are on sale now. Go to eventbrite and search official Memphis Wrestling hall of Fame. [00:01:00] Speaker B: Sam. [00:01:25] Speaker C: Hey everybody. Welcome back to Dangerous Conversations with Doug Gilbert. I'm your host, Gene Jackson and it's my pleasure right now to welcome the man you came to hear, the one and only Dangerous, Doug Gilbert. Doug, how you doing, man? [00:01:38] Speaker B: Man, Gene, I'm doing great. How are you doing this afternoon? [00:01:41] Speaker C: I'm doing well. I'm doing well. I've been getting good feedback all day from our first two episodes since here we are, we've already made it to number three. Does it feel like we've been doing this for three weeks already? [00:01:53] Speaker B: Man, it sure don't, man. It seems like everything's went really quick and. But I've got some actually feedback from some people also when they say we're talking about some good stuff and I tell them they have to probably give you credit for that because me and you talk and you kind of check up on everything and remember everything I tell them. All you gotta do is say something to me about it and I can give you about a hundred stories about all of it. But, but I tell them you do a fantastic job of coming up with stuff for us to talk about. [00:02:20] Speaker C: Well, I appreciate it, man. I'm, I'm enjoying these. And like I tell people, man, it's, it's a lot of fun and, and, and I would sit here every week and, and talk to you about all this wrestling stuff, whether we recording or not. Because, you know, I'm just a huge, huge wrestling fan and I'm fascinated by all the history and, and especially the, the history of the Gilbert family, things that you're not one of these. There's certain guys that they've done, you know, 10, 000 shoe interviews and they've done every podcast that's ever took place and you know their story, know your story, they don't know eddie's story and Mr. Tommy. And so we're, we're giving it to them here each week and I'm excited that everybody's liking it and listening and I'm glad you're hearing the same. [00:03:02] Speaker B: Oh yeah, and it's cool. Gene, like me and you was talking about earlier, was just going back and forth about different things and like I kind of told you about, was talking a little bit about Mid South. So, I mean, the history of, you know, from my dad, my brother and myself, when I started, where my brother was at, where my dad was at, the different territories, you know, I think a lot of people like to hear about the territory days and everything. And that's some really cool stuff for, for us to talk about and get into and everything. [00:03:32] Speaker C: So if you're listening to this, and I opened it up this week, I went on our Facebook page and I said, hey, if you got any questions about Global, put them in here or email them to us. Doug Gilbert podcastoutlook.com and we've had several people that have sent us some questions. We're going to be talking about some of those questions. So if you're listening to us right now, Doug just mentioned Mid South. If you have questions concerning, you know, Doug's time in Mid South, Eddie, send them through, send them that email. Doug Gilbert podcast outlook.com put it on the Facebook page. We'll get to it. [00:04:06] Speaker B: And Gene, I say Mid south or you could say uwf, which kind of turned, you know, it went from Mid South UWF before it was bought by Jim Crockett and everything. But during those times, I was there during that, during the Mid south to the UWF times, my brother was there before I was and up through that time until Crockett bought him out and everything. But yeah, that was a cool, cool time. A little time in history and everything that, that there was a lot of good stuff going on and everything there. Also, Gene, like we was talking about, she was talking about the Global. I think I asked you the other day when you were saying to me about people asking about Global and everything, you remember right now, how would you have been when Global, when the Global stuff was on, Gene, Global was out. [00:04:47] Speaker C: I would have been like, Right as It was hitting TV. I was probably like 12, 13 years old somewhere. [00:04:53] Speaker B: Or do you actually remember then coming home from school and it being on every. Every afternoon? [00:04:59] Speaker C: Absolutely. I rushed if I got off my school bus and hit a dead run to my front door and we didn't hit any traffic with the bus, I would be walking the door as the theme song was playing. And I was there every day last. [00:05:12] Speaker B: Week said now that was kind of cool. You know, there's not a very many people that can even say there was a own that their show was on espn, much less on every afternoon. That was kind of a really kicker to me. And I always thought that was really cool. [00:05:28] Speaker C: Yeah, that's actually one of the first questions I was going to ask you was, you know, and you being a bit of a sports fan, you know, how big of a deal was that for you to. To be on wrestling on espn? [00:05:43] Speaker B: Oh, you're right. I'm a huge sports fan. You know, I'm crazy about this time of year. Football, but I mean I'm a football. Baseball, basketball, I like it all. But I mean, man, it was really cool. And we got to meet a lot of the guys like when they would come to Dallas, the commentators and the sports guys that was with ESPN stuff that was really cool to me. And I mean there was a lot of cool guys there, which is a lot of cool sports people in Texas anyway. In Dallas, there and everything. We met a lot of them and that was really cool. It was kind of the same way when we was in Philadelphia. Like Ron. What was the Ron Jaworski wasn't his name if want the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback. We met him when he's in Philadelphia and that was pretty cool and everything. But yeah, I'm big. Like I said, I'm a huge sports. Sports fan. And the ESPN deal, I've always thought that was a real cool deal and everything to be on every afternoon. [00:06:38] Speaker C: You. [00:06:38] Speaker B: Was on and this, this goes away from Globe Global. But wasn't it. Who was it? Tully Blanchard's dad? What. What nay on. And what was that? [00:06:47] Speaker C: Something Southwest Championship Wrestling. [00:06:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Wasn't they actually on there for a minute and maybe. [00:06:53] Speaker C: I think they were on pre. Yeah, they were on early and then they eventually switched over to USA Network. They actually preceded WWF and being on the USA Network and then the AWA made it on to ESPN and then eventually World Class was on espn. [00:07:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I knew the Bonaire was coming there somewhere and they was on it. But I was for some reason I was thinking the first one Wasn't it? Yeah. [00:07:18] Speaker C: First ones was wrestling. Absolutely. [00:07:23] Speaker B: And man, you know, what? If people didn't see that you talking about, man, they had a. During those days when, when Joe run that, man, there was a ton of talent come through that company. What. Have you seen some of those old tapes and everything? Oh, yeah. [00:07:36] Speaker C: And we live in such a good time to be like a fan of the old territories. Whether you saw it back then or you're. You're a young person, but there's so much of that on YouTube now that you can go back and watch that. As a kid, I had only read about it or heard about it, didn't really get to see it. And then eventually, as I got older, I got into tape trading and I was able to go back and see a lot of this stuff that I had only heard about. And it was usually grainy and, you know, generation VHS and all this. [00:08:03] Speaker B: And I know I'm not helping here. I'm getting us off track from. From you're going. But when you start talking about. When you start talking about Global and I said deal about the TV and everything, that made me start thinking back about the first things that I saw Rationalize on espn. That's why I was gonna make sure I was right about that. Because I know, you know, all the history of that and everything. [00:08:22] Speaker C: I try to. I'm. I'm learning. I learn more every day. [00:08:26] Speaker B: Right. [00:08:26] Speaker C: But so just to add a little context for everybody listening to this, because I've. I've come to find out we've got a wide range of fans from, you know, people who have watched it all their lives and are around, you know, our age and people who are, you know, 30 years younger than I am who are trying to learn about this stuff. So the Global Wrestling Federation, it kind of came from the end of, you know, USWA sprang from World Class. You know, Jerry Jarrett bought into World Class and it became uswa. And then eventually they split off. [00:09:01] Speaker B: Right. And Gene, I was also going to tell you this, which you probably looked and you probably knew anyway, but I saw somebody ask you a question earlier about did Memphis quit taping in Memphis and just when tape in Dallas. No, nobody ever quit tape. And I think this was on your uswa or maybe a question I saw somebody ask you. No, it was. Nobody ever quit taping in Memphis. Even when Jared owned the World Class there, the little deal they had where he bought it out for a while and everything, they still taped in Memphis every week. But, like when we would go to Dallas and do the Tape. Some Friday night there they have a country music bus. And like all of us guys that would go, we get on that bus, then we'd take that bus back to Memphis and get back to Memphis like at 8 that morning to do TV that morning, that morning from Friday night, doing a tape there in Dallas and get on a country music bus, ride that bus back to Memphis and we do that. Which I don't know if anybody had ever heard that story very much or not. [00:09:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I definitely want to dig into that more in the future because that's wild to me to be. If anybody. If anybody owns a map and you know how far it is from Dallas, Texas to Memphis, Tennessee, to imagine these guys wrestling in Dallas on a Friday night, finishing the show, getting on a bus and driving through the night to be back to Memphis in that studio on Saturday morning by 10am I bet those the time period that you guys are doing that had to just be a whole nother level. [00:10:25] Speaker B: Now, that was a. That was some good times and some funny stories too. I mean, you take that crew and stick them on a bus and you'd have some guys scratching her head and shaking their head. I laugh. I remember times when right up on the front seat there be sitting Tojo Yamamoto. We. I mean, Tojo was a great guy, but we'd all mess with him. And, you know, he was always real nice to me and everything, but he was funny. And I. We had a ton of stories about those trips. [00:10:52] Speaker C: I look forward to getting in those in the future. But Global, so most of my knowledge of Global, as far as, you know, I guess, behind the scenes, if you will, comes from Burt Prentice's book. And folks, if you haven't read Burt Prentice, there's a book that Scott Teal put out called Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, which is the autobiography of Burt Prentice. And really interesting story, man. Bert was the promoter of promoters. And this is getting a sidetracked a little bit more, but screw it, we're here, man. Tell the folks a little bit about Burt Prentice, about what a promoter he was and just your experience with him. [00:11:32] Speaker B: Oh, man, Burt was. Was. To me. I'm trying to think there's probably another one or two. There's still Herb Simmons out there and another one or two like her. But to me, Burke is like the last of the old Southern promoters that, that. That I worked for that was just right around here between Memphis and Nashville and Nashville in the area and everything. But Bert was a. A promoter. And you know, you hear different stories from different people, which. That's about all of us. But. But man, Burt was. Anything he ever told me his word was good with me. I didn't ever question nothing and everything he ever told me he kept his word and it was, he was good for. And I mean, I've done a whole lot of business with Burton. I mean, there was times people would laugh at me. You know, I. I would go out and work if I was wasn't last next to last or something or second to last like I was at some shows, maybe they weren't 50 miles from my house or something. Sometime I wouldn't even change. I just go to the dressroom, grab my bag and I'd get ready to walk out. And somebody said, well, have you seen Bert yet? And I said no, I said I hadn't seen him yet. I said, just tell him I'll see him or to holler at me or something. What they was talking about was had I got my money yet? And I said what? They tell me wait and get my money. And I said just tell Bert to call me or something. I'll see him and everything. But that's the relationship I had with him. And other people would say, well, you must be crazy. Well, every time I would see him the next time or something, he'd hand me my money. I mean, you know, if you got. That's the relationship I had with him. And I mean me and him, we had. They was occasions we didn't totally agree on everything, but we always, everything always worked itself out and everything. But Bert was one, like I said, the old time promoter that he got out and he got his posters up, he'd have radio, he'd have newspaper, but he'd give you a chance to draw a lot of people, you know, where, if you was go somewhere these days or whatever, like me and you're me and you're sitting here talking right now. A lot of promoters think that's all the advertisements you need. Well, Gene, you know, like I do, I mean, yeah, we're going to have people to listen. I hope we have a whole lot of people listen. But look, what about in Selmer, Tennessee? You might not have two people listening from there. And this might not do any good. But my point is, any person that goes out in town, if there's a poster on the door of the store or the restaurants or whatever, you're giving the guys a chance to draw. If you hear it on the radio that we're coming, you're giving the guys a chance to draw. If, if the people, if you don't advertise, and you don't do your old school promoting like Bert did. You're not giving the guys a chance to draw. And Bert would always give you a chance to draw and give you the opportunity, as long as you work hard to give you opportunity to work for him. And like I said, he was a great guy. To me, that's my point of view. And I mean, you hear if you ask 10 different guys, you might get. You probably get 10 different answers. But Bert was always great to me. [00:14:28] Speaker C: I. The thing I'd always heard and then reading his book that I find amazing about Bert is it seemed like that you could have taken Bert and dropped him out of an airplane and just parachuted him into any town in the United States or beyond. And within two weeks of landing, Bert would have TV set up. He'd have a show going. You know what I mean? Like, he set up shows in places that, you know, up in Iowa, in places that really hadn't had wrestling. And, you know, he would come into town and within a couple of weeks, he'd have a TV show set up at the TV station. He'd find a ring somewhere, he'd get a roster, people would travel from all over and he'd have a promotion up and going in no time and making money. [00:15:10] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, he would. And, I mean, I left one guy, he called me and he said, I talked to Bert and he said, just give you a call. Which I told Bert, tell the guy to call me if he wanted. And he was asking about doing business with him. He said, well, Bert told me there was one thing for sure that, that he lives by. And I said, what's that? He said, anywhere around here. Said, make sure and get along with you and Lawler and you'll probably do pretty well. Well, I appreciate him saying that. I said, but what have you gotten? The guy wound up being a good guy, though. But Burton, never give my number to anybody that wasn't too good and everything. And I mean, like I said, anything that Bird ever told me, I mean, his word was all I needed. And it was good. [00:15:50] Speaker C: That's awesome. And so I. I remember reading in Bird's book, he had a lot of insight into Global because Joe Petticino talked to Bert early on and told him, like, hey, I got something going on down in Dallas and I'm going to want you to be a part of it when it comes together. And so Bert, I think. I think he was in Iowa then maybe, or maybe Kansas. But anyway, he was off running a theater and doing a little wrestling on the side. Joe calls him and says, come to Dallas. [00:16:18] Speaker B: Bert was like the whiz drives, wasn't he? Being Kansas. And he'd love blow this way or that way or, I mean, you could never tell with Burt, but, but I'm going to tell you, everybody says, like I said, you asked in their paper, you might have five that says something really good like I did five don't or something. But man, Burke got me out of some. A few jams that couldn't hardly anybody else have got me out of. And I mean, I mean that's just. He knew people in certain places that could really help you and everything. And I mean people wouldn't have thought that, but I mean, because most people think Bert, they just think. As far as a promoter, they think like, well, he was just old carney type promoter and everything, but Bert was. I wouldn't say out and you can say a little bit carny, but he was a Southern promoter. I mean, and, and I mean he, he knew what he was doing and he, and he pushed everything as hard as he could. [00:17:07] Speaker C: Well, and, and that's what he said, that Joe Petticino was wanting to bring him to Dallas for that. As they got Global started, the intention was going to be to get Bert out there booking spot shows all around the area to help get this going. And that. That didn't come to pass, but we'll get to that as we go. [00:17:25] Speaker B: Well, I was fixing. Say, it's hard for me to believe it didn't. If Joe knew Burt that well and everything, I would have figured Bert would have been on the first train out to Texas and he would have done good because. I know, because Burt was good around Texas also. I mean, he'd made his way. Like we was talking about Joe Blanchard earlier. I remember he was in that territory at one time. [00:17:45] Speaker C: Yeah, well, Bert came there and his, his directions were changed by the time he got to Dallas. Now they said, hey, we're not, we're not wearing my spot shows right now. Your job, because this is 1991. Wrestling wasn't exactly on fire in 1991, as I'm sure you remember. And so his job was to fill that sportatorium every Friday night by any means necessary to make sure when these ESPN tapings start that they saw people in those seats. So before I go into any more of like what Bert told us about Global in that book, from your perspective, before you went to Texas, what did you know about the Global Wrestling Federation coming in the door? [00:18:26] Speaker B: Man, the Thing I knew for sure because I, I knew Joe, you know, before this Joe and Bonnie, I knew both of them very well and I mean they'd always been really nice to me and, and they was great as far as for wrestling business. I don't know if Gene, you remember the show or I don't know if you would have got like when I was in Atlanta, I got it and they had like a show, it was like 10 hours straight of wrestling. But I mean it had a USWA 30 or 45 minute spot on it. But every territory they had like a 30 or 45 minute spot. But it wound up being like, I don't know, eight or ten hours of wrestling. And. But, but it was, I mean everybody could catch up if you got that station that they was on. Joe was a big wrestling guy as far as he knew all, all the players and everything. And I mean Joe had wound up in which you probably know this you last week you told me the. Who the money guys was. But they wound up being, I think it was like a family or something that, that had money that put into this to the GWF and, and Joe was their guy that I think that they put the money with and want him to get it started. [00:19:31] Speaker C: Yeah. So according to Bert, there was a originally this Nigerian person who was going to be putting like $25 million into it. And then Joe, this guy's not quite straight. He's not legit. I mean, which is ironic because years later you get all these Nigerian princes and emails sending everybody $25 million. But according to him, it was a, a guy out of Atlanta who owned a huge landscaping business. But his mom is the one that bankrolled the landscaping business to start with and she was the one that had the bulk of the money. Who was behind him, who was behind Joe, who was helping kick off the, the gwf. [00:20:10] Speaker B: Now that that sounds right, that's the. About the story that, that I'd heard and everything and that they put up quite a bit of money and was getting everything started and getting everything rolling and everything. And I mean by the sounds of it, at the, the starting of it, by what I heard, everything sounded really good. And I knew they had the deal with ESPN and was, you know, the name of it and everything. And I knew when they'd ask Eddie to start booking it. And I'm not sure before Eddie was there, Gene, what Bill 80 was there. Was he some kind of. Wasn't he like the. What did Joe call him? Like the. I don't know he was like the. [00:20:45] Speaker C: Booking assistant or something, because that was the thing that was unclear because Bert said he was in and out of the office as far as the booking side. But he said that Joe was coming up. Like, he came up with the Patriot. He came up with ideas, and then Bill Edie was helping turn those ideas into actual angles, you know, booking it into a wrestling show. [00:21:08] Speaker B: Right. And see Bill. The deal, though, they had an office in Atlanta, and. And Bill would stay. He would go to that office in Atlanta. Now, he would never come to the TV tapings or nothing like that. So, I mean, I can see what you're saying about maybe kind of booking different as far as aspects of. Of talent that Joe come up with. But. But Bill never come to Dallas for the TV tapings or anything. So, I mean, like I said, I think he was getting, you know, getting paid a couple grand a week or something and just, you know, going to the office in Atlanta and going back home. But he didn't ever come to the TV tapings. Like when we did the tapings for espn. They're just for touring. [00:21:46] Speaker C: Yeah. The story I heard in that book and at other times was that Joe and Bill Edie worked together in Atlanta in an office. [00:21:54] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:54] Speaker C: And then Joe flew into Dallas on Fridays before the TV tape. And Burt, kind of during his time there, in the early goings, when Burt was there, he kind of handled things at the Sportatorium day to day. And he was out putting out the flyers, giving out tickets, making sure there was gonna be a crowd on Friday night. And then, meanwhile, Joe would show up Friday with all the plans that he had built together with him and Bill Edie, and they executed it on the show. Now, do you know how we got from this is. I'll actually name this guy because he posted this to Twitter at Dylan's X profile. Ask who was the booker of GWF before Eddie came in? And was the transition from the previous booker to Eddie a difficult one? [00:22:39] Speaker B: I'm trying to think who the previous booker was. Do you have. [00:22:47] Speaker C: I don't see. I only know of Joe and then Bill. Bill E. And then I said, as soon as the money started getting a little iffy, like Bill Edie was out like the first time, they were like, hey, man, we might not have your whole two grand this week. Billy was like, well, no, I'm not doing this. [00:23:02] Speaker B: Well, see, I, I. To be honest, I think it just went from. I guess what you're saying, Bill 80 and Joe. I think it just went from probably when Bill Lady Was out. Joe wanted to have actually a booker. And I think that's when he hired Eddie and everything. Because, I mean, like I said, I. I was there for a good little minute when Bill was still there. And that was kind of a strange thing to me, which, I mean, I didn't care and never, never asking questions about it. But I thought, dang, this guy here, he's supposed to be part of the office and I don't ever even see him. But I mean, you know, I knew they had office in Atlanta and he would go there and they would conduct business there. But I was just on the Dallas and like, I'd either drive or fly from Memphis to Dallas and back and everything. And that was, that was kind of like, you know, when I was there, I'd see it was more as far as the booker was Eddie and as far as his assistant booker, you'd probably say, would have been James Beard. James Beard really helped my brother a lot. And James, really good guy, I mean, a really smart guy. Wrestling business, smart guys, I mean, smart guy anyway, in life, but he's a good wrestling guy. [00:24:07] Speaker C: And Joe was in Continental when Eddie was. When you guys were in Continental and a. Continental. Joe was there at the time. I'm sure he knew. I mean, you knew him before that. [00:24:17] Speaker B: But I know, yeah, he definitely had. [00:24:19] Speaker C: First hand experience of Eddie's booking because he was there for the Continental run, right? [00:24:23] Speaker B: He was there for that. And also I knew him from. You're gonna laugh, but that, I mean, you said something, I was telling you about Houston or something. Eddie going over and working for Jerry Black on Tommy Rich. Right, right outside of Atlanta that time. Joe was also, like I said, Joe was a player in those days in the wrestling business because everybody didn't have the. Joe had syndication hookups. And everybody wasn't sure in those days what to do with what they had syndication, but they knew syndication would be good for something. I mean, if everybody would, would have used it, right, and had the money and went in with different people, you know what I'm saying? I mean, like our show, like our show here in Memphis, it went to Chicago, went to New York. You know, we never used it or anything. As far as, you know, they never run shows off of that syndication. But they had like, I think it was 70 something, which. You're the historian. Have you ever looked into that as far as the uswa, the, the, the syndication deals? Like they had. [00:25:19] Speaker C: No, I know there was actually. I know Bill Barron's had a big hand in some of that later on. [00:25:25] Speaker B: Right. He did. But I mean, there was like 60 or 70 different markets they would send tapes out to. But. And I'm not talking about little thousand people towns. I'm talking about Chicago and New York, Baltimore. I'm talking about places that, you know, would really. [00:25:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:39] Speaker B: Which one. I'm saying we'd had to. But. But I mean, it was watched a lot too. It wasn't like it was just sent and somebody wasn't watching it, you know, they was watched a lot. That's why I think. Dang, man, that would have been, you know, in those days, which I don't think. What I'm saying is Joe was a big power player in that part of the industry that people. And like I said, Joe was always super nice to me. Him and Bonnie both was and everything. And they was real. Them and 80 got along real well. [00:26:05] Speaker C: I think Joe probably understood the power in that. Of that syndication that. [00:26:09] Speaker B: That. [00:26:09] Speaker C: That the money to be made in advertising and that and that, you know, big of a syndication network and. [00:26:17] Speaker B: Right. And so he was right there in the middle of it in Atlanta, I think. How big? I mean. And still wrestling was huge in the days I'm talking about. Like I said, they'd be a down year or a down year to here or there, that it didn't draw as good. But still when you're on TV and you've got people that aren't having to pay but are sitting home, like I said, he had a TV show that was on eight or seven, eight, nine hours. It was. It was that long. Just a wrestling from all over the world. [00:26:44] Speaker C: And I'm sure that he made good money off advertising for that. And I'm sure all those promoters were sending their tapes for free just for the promotion of getting seen in the Atlanta market and everywhere that show went. So he wasn't. He had to show that he really wasn't costing him much. But then he was making money off of it. And global thing had the potential of doing that on a much larger scale. [00:27:05] Speaker B: And I think so, like I said, he was right there in Atlanta. So he had all the other territories plus the Atlanta stuff. And I mean, he covered everything. It wasn't, you know, he wasn't against nobody. He wanted everybody to do well. I mean, like I've told you, you know, I want everybody do well. I might not. Some stuff I might agree with more than others, but, you know, I'd like for everybody to do good. I mean, we've all got what we'd like and what necessarily we Might not like as much. I don't want to say what we don't like, but we've all got things that we like a little more than we like others and everything. But yeah, Joe was just a good, he was a good guy in those days, which he's always been a good guy to me and everything. But he knew, he knew the wrestling business and wrestling industry. [00:27:43] Speaker C: And to prove your point on that, I don't know of any other promotion outside of Global. Joe would promote other wrestling promotions on that show. If a guy left to go to wcw, they would say on the show, yeah, oh, yeah, he's, you know, he's no longer here. He just went to WCW or he went to Japan or he went to wherever. [00:28:01] Speaker B: Exactly like what me and you'll get to in a minute. But like with Dale Wilkes, I mean, when I wound up winning the belt from him, he was going to tour Japan for like six weeks. You know, they'd go four to six weeks during those days and everything. But I mean, it was one of those deals where it was time for Dale to be gone a little bit and everything. You know, everybody had to work. What people don't think about or never thought about in those days, they didn't think about what the territories and the promoters and the bookers had to work around in those days. And knock on wood, I'm glad they did because it made it better for a lot of us and we was able to come back and work for them when we got back and we didn't have to go somewhere else to make more money because that would, you know, the money that we was making overseas would cover some of that money that you wasn't making for the, the big boys, right? [00:28:49] Speaker C: And I'm sure in Joe's mind, that makes you a bigger star when you come back to ESPN to be able to say, oh, this guy's been in Japan, this guy's done this and, and making a worldwide reputation. Because that was another part of the, the puzzle here and, and broadcast Bob Anderson as a, a guy I know a friend of mine that has sent in a few different questions, and that was one of his questions was the fact, you know, the, the whole global concept in the beginning, you know, they, they said they had titles and satellite promotions all over the world and, you know, was presenting it as a bigger, a bigger promotion than what it actually was in the beginning. And another one of his questions that I'll ask you here, before we get too far into it, what kind of shape was the Sportatorium in by 92. Didn't they do a lot of up. [00:29:36] Speaker B: Man Gina grades. I, I would like to tell you it was great. And, and from what I'd heard before, it was a lot better in a lot better shape than what it had been in the history before that. But I mean it was still man, I thought it was, it was, it was a cool. If he was a wrestling person. I thought it was a, a cool wrestling atmosphere building and everything. But it, it wasn't, it sure wasn't no Mid South Coliseum or wasn't no Louisville Guards or what I'm saying it wasn't a venue that you would just go in and think you had never seen anything like it because it was more of a. And I don't think Jean, do you know, did they ever do anything. I mean, I'm sure a time or two, but did they ever do anything else in there other than wrestling? [00:30:24] Speaker C: I mean, I know in the past, like years before this, they had had concerts there. I know Elvis had performed there at one point. They had some pretty big concerts and stuff back in the day. [00:30:35] Speaker B: Well, you just went off the rails. I thought you should say they had Michael Hayes there and you said Elvis. So Elvis. [00:30:41] Speaker C: Actually no, because Michael Hayes used to like to brag that the Free Birds out drew Elvis in the Sportatorium because. [00:30:47] Speaker B: You know, oh my gosh. [00:30:48] Speaker C: Claim to fame was Lawler out drew Elvis in Memphis and Hayes would go, yeah, but we outdoor. [00:30:56] Speaker B: My gosh. But now. But the cool thing about the, the, the sport tour, like I said, just walking down from the dress room down the, you know the way, going down the walkway there to the ring, just, you know, to me anyway, people thought about the history of wrestling. I always thought that was really cool and everything. But as far as people asked me before about it being that had never been there or anything or just seen it on TV and everything. Was it really nice? You know, I, I, I tell you, yeah, you know, it was okay and everything. But realistically between all of us and all the wrestling fans that's listening or whatever, you know, it wasn't very nice. I mean, as far as it was just an older type building and the, the benches that had wood, you know, the wood bench seats with a wood back across it. So it wasn't really comfortable either. But I mean, but it was a cool building during the heyday of wrestling in Dallas that was used and I mean they, they drew thousands and thousands of people to it. [00:31:57] Speaker C: Yeah, you had to love the history of it. One person I heard describe, I Wish I could remember who this was. But they said, comparing the GWF days, they said the Sportatorium, by that time was a dump. But once Joe Pettocino come in, it was a dump with a fresh coat of paint, like to come in right. Well, and black. And they were calling it the Global. [00:32:15] Speaker B: Dome, which that is what was what they call it, which he was just trying to come up with something new and get the old kind of out. But it was still, you know, like I said, it was still the history. The wrestling history of the building was still cool and everything. But, like, Joe did paint it up, and he made it a lot better. Like I said, people just ask, as far as the arena part, about it being nice. And I mean, Joe put the. You know, like I'm saying, if you shoot camera angles and everything behind everybody's black, and everything's kind of blacked out, and it looks better and nicer. And now Joel knew all of his. Joe was a TV guy. I mean, he knew tv, which, I mean, I think New wrestling well, also. But Joe was a business guy. He knew syndication, he knew tv. He knew the wrestling business, which, I mean, I think, you know, Joe during the day. I mean, when he was in Atlanta, I think he hustled with all the syndication stuff. So, I mean, he knew how to fix something up. And like you said, maybe put a. One of my buddies told me the other day was remodeling house. He said, I'm trying to get this big pig finished. I said, you're trying to do what? And he said, we're putting a fresh coat of paint on this pig to try to get it done. But he's talking about to make it look better. Right, right. And that's what Joe done kind of with the Sportatorium. And. And, I mean, he's done a real good job with it. And I think during the time when me and Eddie was there, I think he had good talent and everything. And, I mean, I think Eddie produced a good show for him. So, I mean, that was. That was good during that time. Oh, yeah. [00:33:43] Speaker C: If you read down the roster of Global, It's a who's who of professional wrestling. Not just like, of the Southwest of everywhere. They brought stars in from all over the place. [00:33:53] Speaker B: Yeah, Eddie had a good. Eddie had good crew, which he had the kid. He was there with him. He had Jerry Lynn. I mean, he had. I'm just. Just throwing a couple names out there, but, I mean, there was a ton of different guys that, you know, you wouldn't. You just Wouldn't put together. You wouldn't think of. Of this as being a crew. What I'm saying, if you named all of them, you could look back and see all the different guys. And it was just. It was sure a mixture. And that's what I always say, you know, you need a mixture. You need something different from opening to the end. If you got a mixture, you. You're going to hit on, on somebody's level. They might not like it all, but at least they like something through there. [00:34:27] Speaker C: Now here's something I'm really curious about, and we mentioned this at the beginning. Global's on ESPN every afternoon for quite a while. How does the tapings work? Like, how often are you having to tape and how long are these tapings to be able to fill that much time? [00:34:45] Speaker B: Man, we was doing three, three to four tapings every Friday night. That. That's as crazy as that sounds. I mean, that's what we was doing. Which now Joe did have a good deal like he was talking about. I mean, he would sell the ads on a lot of it. I mean, Joe done real well with all that. I don't think people realize how well he done with. With that part of it and everything. But I mean, still we done. It was every bit. We would start at like, I think seven and it would be midnight. I mean, and that's. That's too much. And I mean, we're doing it every week, but I mean. And that's what I asked Eddie one time. I said, man, is not going to burn these people out or. Or what? And he said, doug, they've done it here forever. Which what he was going by was he had to have that much that, that many hours of taping to get everything done that he wanted. Yeah, and everything. And I thought, Jesus, you know, because we. We'd leave there midnight and I'd get home like at 8 or 9 in the morning, you know. Yeah, it was just a crazy. When I'd ride back, a lot of times I'd fly, but a lot of times I'd just ride back with the guys because we had guys come coming from Nashville and I'd say during the night, I'd ask them what they was going to do, was they going to stay or. Because like they had hotel rooms that they'd get for them. But if they wanted to get home, they'd go ahead and leave after the show. And while they wait good and all pumped up and drive on back, a couple of them together and I ride back with them every once in A while. But you're talking about what, you know, you're standing there for. Like I said, if you're starting at 7. And the thing about it, we would start before 7 because we would do the pre tapes and everything that was going to go in the ESPN shows. We would do that before the store shows got started. So, you know, everybody would have to get there early. [00:36:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:23] Speaker B: And do all those. And we do that for the shows. And you'd have, like I said, the three to four hours of actual, like wrestling and everything. So it was kind of crazy. [00:36:34] Speaker C: Wow. Every Friday night I was expecting to hear like twice a month, but yeah, to fill that much time, TV time, you would have to tape that frequently. [00:36:41] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was crazy. We, I mean, it's. To me, it was, it was. Even. It wasn't. It was so crazy at the time because I was used to this territory, USWA and everything, you know, having like shows every week. But it was just, you know, they told me that before all that, that every week they run the sport where, I mean, from the Von Erics, when Jared got it to this point, the people was always. That was what they was used to coming out there every Friday night and watching wrestling. A lot of times every Friday night and Saturday night watching wrestling. [00:37:16] Speaker A: Hey, guys. Ray Russell here, curator of the Wrestlecopia Podcast Network, inviting you guys to listen to many of the programs here as part of the Wrestlecopia brand, including, but not limited to the Wrestling Memory Grenade, currently covering the 1988 in the WWF project. You can also listen to the regional wrestling podcast where we talk the territories, whether it's Jamie Ward with Georgia 81, Roman Gomez with the UWF in 1986, or Gene Jackson covering Memphis in 85. 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[00:39:39] Speaker C: Well and that makes sense. And like you said, you know, it. There were these certain guys that you knew in Dallas for years. You know, you were going to see your Tim Brooks's and you know, Chris Adams and different people and. And now like you say, all of a sudden you're seeing Jerry Lynn and, and the lightning kid out there. [00:39:54] Speaker B: Right. [00:39:54] Speaker C: That was unlike anything they had seen down there. [00:39:57] Speaker B: Right. Well, just, just something, something different. That was, that was entertaining. That was, I mean, like I said, and I love the guys that you just said, but this was a total different ball game that, that people had never seen. And I mean it was, it was smaller guys that flew around and everything, but all their stuff looked as real as anybody's in the business. And I mean the guys was good and they had psychology and, and chemistry and with one another. And I mean, like I said, you can look at that whole crew and I mean it just goes from A to Z from one extent to another on what the guy's done. [00:40:35] Speaker C: Absolutely. So tell me about if you know whose idea was the Dark Patriot and well, how do you remember it being pitched to you? [00:40:44] Speaker B: Well, it was pitched to me because I just come back from a tour of Japan and I was gonna go out there and actually I was gonna do something. I was trying to think which of the guys Eddie had had thought about bringing one of the guys back. And I think it might have been Gary Young or one of those guys that was. Which he'd come up here to Tennessee, but he was out in Dallas before and everything, and I was going to do something with him. Well, at that point, when I was in Japan, I come back and my brother said, I still want you to come. He said, but we've got a different idea. And I said, okay, because, you know, I mean, I knew it would be okay. I said, all right. And he said, I want you talk to me and Joe about it and tell us what you think. And. And when I went out there, Dale was out there and I talked to him some, and he said. And they told me his situation, what was going on with him, and he was going to need, like, he was going to be gone for, I think it was like six weeks, but he wanted two weeks before that off. So he was going to be gone for two months. And they said, we need a heel to do angle with him, and let's put the North American strap on for two or three months anyway. And I said, all right. I said, what do y' all want? And they said, well, we got to have something opposite of the patriot. And I. And we sit there and we talked a little bit, and I said, what. What about if we use the. The. The. I said, call it something just like a heel Patriot or something, I think. So I told my brother, and it wasn't. But just 15 or 20 minutes later, I'd walked out of the room. He said, what about dark Patriot? And I said, that sounds as good as anything I can think of. And he gets. Get your black outfit, put red stars on it, and get your hood and put stars on it. Red stars. And he said, we'll go with that. And so I got me a red cape and everything, and that's kind of how that come about. But, I mean, just like I said, it was. But it goes back to what put you in that situation. You know, Dale was a great guy, and he was a great champion out there, and he drew him money and everything. And I mean, Dale was a good dude and everything, but the. The situation of him going to. To get his money in Japan, it put the company in the situation where they had to. To react to what he was doing. So that's how kind of all come about. [00:43:08] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, they managed to make the patriot into their biggest star, you know, out there starting out. It was a great character. And, you know, Dale looked like a million bucks, and it really worked. But this. I mean, that's actually the whole thing's pretty genius when you think about it, because like, this guy's going away. He's your biggest. He's your biggest baby face star. He's going away for two months, which is scary for a promoter. But if you take this guy who comes in, he's the dark Patriot. He's the antithesis of the Patriot. But now every week that the Patriots not on TV and you are, you're talking about the dark Patriot, you're reminding the fans every time you see the dark Patriot, you're still promoting the Patriot because they know at some point he's gonna have to come back seeking revenge. So it's actually, it's a perfect scenario. [00:43:58] Speaker B: And if you remember, Gene, remember on like the vignettes and promos I did, I'd plug him on. [00:44:04] Speaker C: Oh yeah. [00:44:05] Speaker B: Every one of those that I did. And then the funny thing about that, not that it hurt anything because it was good. And like you said, it's reminding people of everything that happened. Like we would show it over like every two or three weeks and then he was supposed to come back and we was gonna have the big match where I'll be dang if. When he was in Japan, he wound up talking with Vince and them and he wound up having it when he got back, which he was real cool. He told us he would come back and work for his, you know, his time off. But then that's when, right after that's when he signed the deal with Vince and them. And I was, man, I was happy for him because I, I thought I knew he would do real good because I mean, man, Dale was in great shape. He had to look, like you said he looked like a million dollars. Dale was, man, Dale was one of them really tough guys. I mean, you know, I mean, he was all American, I think football at South Carolina, wasn't he? Wherever he played. But he was one of them real. I mean, people wouldn't want to mess with him. He was a real tough guy. [00:45:02] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, he's right up Vince's alley, you know, legitimate athlete, big guy, got the ready made gimmick. I mean, I guess in retrospect, I guess Joe wished he would have, you know, patented that copyright of that gimmick some kind of way. [00:45:15] Speaker B: And you know what, you're. You're probably right. But man, Joe was so nice. You know, there's different ones of us. I mean, you can sit here and talk and you're cool and nice dude, Gene. But there's so many people that would hold stuff against people for going even Though they're going to do better for their self, but still they'd hold stuff against. Joe was such a nice guy. He was happy. If I would assign with anybody during that time, he, me and him would still been friends because he was just, he was proud for everybody. He wanted everybody to do good. And his theory, and I think that's right, is if you go ahead and do good, I mean, he'd talk about you on his tv, that, that you'd done good, you was with the WWF or you was with whoever and you was in Japan doing well and that you'd done good and they couldn't wait. If you wanted to come back, they'd take you back in a minute. But he was one of the first guys that I saw, you know, it was really like that. [00:46:08] Speaker C: And that's great. And I. And honestly, that's a bargaining chip for getting new talent in the future because you sit somebody down and go, hey, you know, we helped build the Patriot. Now look at him. He's on, you know, he's up there. If you come in for us and you work hard and you do, you know what we need you to do, you potentially could, you know, move on to bigger and better things. Because, I mean, I'm sure, I mean, Joe knew that was the promised land. That's where everybody was wanting to go, right? [00:46:32] Speaker B: And here, Gene, during that time, how many people was there on. I mean, like I said that that was the only show on ESPN right then that everybody ever was could cut. Like you said, you coming in from school, that could come in from school or whatever. And if you really had your heart set on wrestling, you go right in there and flip it on every evening when you got home. I mean, you know, the strange thing was without, you know, I thought it was cool back then, but I thought after it went off, I thought, well, that'll never happen again. But now what do we do? We. People turn on, go to their TVs every night. They say stuff to me during the day, well, I'm. I'm gonna watch this. Do you ever watch this show? And I said, what show are you talking about now? You'd be talking about what you've got WWE, what, Monday. Then who's Tuesday? AWS that Wednesday and Friday. But then WWE's got what, NXT and then another show on Friday. So is there any night now? There's not wrestling, if you turned it on, Gene. [00:47:29] Speaker C: No, on television there's something every night. Good Lord. If you go to streaming, there's a hunter. [00:47:35] Speaker B: But, but now think the days me and you're talking about, I think just being on every day. I mean, you know, we don't. I don't think a lot of us look at that, that even the people that listen to this, I mean, think every day, just every afternoon. And thank you. You producing that to be on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, you know. And what was cool, though is like, you know, they might put one on, say, Tuesday and one on Thursday. So it might be our live stuff. I say live or stuff that was recorded, but the new stuff, like on Monday, Wednesday and Friday or something, it was like. Like they'd give us like, we could put an old show say on Tuesday or Thursday or something like that. But it's all the fresh stuff would be like Monday, Wednesday and Friday, I think the way it was. [00:48:16] Speaker C: Right. And you were managed by a guy who at the time was known as the expert, Bruce Pritchard. How was. How was it working with Bruce? I know you guys knew him from the UWF days, so he was a friend already. [00:48:28] Speaker B: Hey, that thing. Bruce was an expert. He's still expert. Expert, ain't it? Hey, Bruce is my. Bruce is my partner. I. I like Bruce. He was always. He's always been cool to me, him and his brother Tom. I mean, me and Tom are. Are really cool and everything. I think you've been around Tom a little bit. Tom's great guy, but I love Bruce. Bruce was the. The difference. I was around Tom more and Eddie was around Bruce more and everything, but. But Bruce was always super cool, man. I loved Eddie bringing him in. It was during one of his stints when he was away from Vince there for a minute. But I mean, Bruce has been with Vince away from Vince, or I should be saying WWE or WWF now. But he's been. He was with him, he was away from. He was with him, he was away from him and he's back with him now. Right? But I mean, Bruce was. Is a smart freaking wrestling guy. Tom, his brother, is a freaking smart wrestling guy. And Tom's great worker, which Bruce was great worker doing his gimmicks, his managing stuff. And he was a great worker as my manager. I mean, he could talk. I mean, Bruce get heat with anybody talking. I mean. But I love Bruce. I mean, he had the gift gab and I mean, he still does. I mean, him and Tom, that family there, you know, they grew up there in Houston, is around Paul Bosh or I think who they say that, you know, so great and everything, but I mean, they was around at the right time because both them got in the business and I mean, you know, they paid their dues and man, both of them are just great guys. [00:50:01] Speaker C: Yeah, I was, you know, I enjoyed Brother Love and everything as much as anybody, but I was really glad that Bruce got that time and global for people to see him in a whole different light outside the WWF umbrella, outside of Brother Love. [00:50:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:14] Speaker C: Really entertaining. [00:50:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I thought that was cool too. And I'd always tell him, oh, just the only thing with Bruce and some kind of. He always done this karate stuff and everything. I'd laugh, which he'd get over with me. But I said, you better stay close, close, you know, don't get so far away from me. And he'd say, what? I said, don't get so far because they would let the people so close to us at the store to tour them and these people take swings at him and I'd always, you know, make sure didn't nobody get him or anything. But I'd have to tell them every once in a while I stay a little bit closer to me than you are. But, oh, Bruce was. He didn't, you know, he wanted to get heat and everything. And he did. I mean that the people hated him and I mean, he could talk. I mean, I loved some of his stuff him. I loved his promos just like that he would do with me. But I loved his stuff that he would go. Him and Eddie would go back and forth about and they had some good promos back and forth issues which I just stand behind him. But he, he. Man, you talking about he could talk, I mean, and he could get heat talking. And I mean, Bruce was just good. He was. And Bruce is really smart. I mean, yeah, people that don't know that about him. I think everybody now wrestling days, he's been in and around the office so much. Do know that he's really a smart bit wrestling business guy and you know. [00:51:29] Speaker C: And he's a guy who took this form of podcasts and reinvented himself and, you know, thought he was forever on the outside. He would never be back in wb and then built, you know, him and Conrad Thompson built that podcast into just an absolute juggernaut and eventually got him back in the wwe. And he's a huge, huge part of that up there now. So. [00:51:50] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And which, I mean, I'm happy for him. I don't know that there's been so many times he's like I said, he's went and left and went and left and went and left. But here's the thing about it and people asked my brother this before and I said how'd you go back to. To you just left wcw, went back and then left and went back and how'd you do that? How'd you go? My brother, I used to laugh. My brother's answer, my brother brother's answer would be, look, if you got good enough ideas or you can draw money, they will bring you back. And Bruce, his mind was so good and still is so good and everything. I think they would always bring him back, but I think it was cool like his days when he was gone from there, I think it give him something to do when he called and asked him to come to Global. And he, he loved business and man, Bruce is just really good. I mean he was really good at what he does. [00:52:44] Speaker C: And I gotta imagine when you're creating, you know, you're doing booking for a show that's out every day, having another creative mind like Bruce to bounce ideas off of probably really helpful. [00:52:56] Speaker B: Oh, it was. And I mean I hear Eddie tell him, look man, go home, think about the this and we'll teach Eddie be thinking about four or five different things as far as. But he'd have a direction but not exactly what he wanted to do. And Eddie tell him go home, think about this and I'll call you in a couple days and we'll figure something out on some of. But yeah, he, Bruce was a great guy for that and everything. Like I said, I think he really helped Eddie a whole lot. [00:53:20] Speaker C: So I've got a list of names here compiled from a few different people of just different people who worked in Global. We'll kind of run down that list and let you just kind of give a quick thought on them. But before we get to that, we have a fan question this week from Mike Needham via email who asks can you please tell the real version of the Jeff Gaylord story that happened in Global? [00:53:43] Speaker B: Well, I figured he's just probably going to ask me about him. But the, the real story was I was working with my brother one night and it was during that time you're talking about that Bruce was there and I come back in from the ring and like always after I'd worked my brother, I was so blowed up and used under a mask too. And it was usually hot in the sport tourum and you'd have to go, you know, we'd go 20, 20, 25 minutes, 30 minutes and we went that. And every time I'd walk back up the ramp and let me and Bruce get To the back. I'd either be undoing my hood or something. We go in our dressroom. If you walked in there was all the way over, like, you go the right and then back to the right, and you'd be in a little room by yourself. Well, I done that. And I was getting my stuff off, and I took a drink. Somebody handed me, like, a Coke or something, like in a bottle. And I took a drink. Yeah. And all of a sudden, I heard my brother's voice. And then I heard like, a calamity outside the door, say, like 15 foot from the door that where I had walked in. And so I jumped up. When I jumped up and I walked out the door and I looked, and Jeff Gaylord was. My brother, was walking towards me. But Jeff, from where he was just come back to the ring, and Jeff Gaylord was behind him, swinging at him. And he. I think he hit my brother once. And he swung one time, his arm went beside him. And by that time, I'd got there and I pulled my brother like his. His. He was facing me. It had been his left shoulder. I pulled his left shoulder to the side, and I hit Gaylord in the eye with the bottle, and it busted his eye. But then he swung at me. I ducked. I hit him. He swung again. I dug. I hit him again. The third time I raised up to. You got to realize this dude was freaking £300, jacked out. Out of his head on steroids and doing cocaine and everything. So it wasn't. I guess I was lucky that I'd done as good as I did. But then after that sequence that I just told you there, then I looked and he turned and he took off running. But now he was bleeding down his eye. From where I ain't saying it was a strength. My punch was probably that bottle that I hit him with an eye. But, I mean, it was just in my hand for me, drinking. Yeah. But anyway, so he takes off running. So as he takes off running, I start running, too. Well, he runs out the door of the sportatorium and jumps in a car. And right as I'm about to go out the door, like, I open the door, but it's just as the show's getting over because me and my brother was last. [00:56:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:15] Speaker B: He jumps in the car. So I stop. I think I can't walk out there with, you know, I'm the dark patron. It's me with all my stuff on, except the hood I pulled off. So I stopped right there, and he jumps in the car and takes out and I asked some of the guys from Dallas here. I said, what the elf is. Is going on? And come to find out. I forget Gene, who it was, but supposedly one of the guys down there or something somewhere had paid him supposedly $1,000 to. To try to get it, I guess, to like, beat Eddie up or try to get him not to come back. And then the story come out that it was supposedly because he wasn't using the guys from Dallas, some of them. But I. I can't even. There's two or three names that I heard, but I can't remember exactly. If you said. If you've heard anything, if you said the name, I'm sure I would remember, but. But I was trying to think. But I remember he got out of prison and his story was a guy called and said, this, man. I said, oh, man, that's. That He. That somebody had paid him. And he told Eddie, and it was a big work, and he gave Eddie half the thousand dollars. Now, that's. Eddie wasn't ever in no kind of dealings or friends with Jeff Gaylord, but he had his issues. And I'm not sure what, you know, but it was just a. That was one of those deals like, you know, I mean, like wild, Wild west wrestling. I mean, you're not sure what, you know. And I was thinking, what kind of crap is this? I've seen a lot of different stuff, but not the guys trying to jump on the booker. [00:57:50] Speaker C: Yeah, I saw a clip of that where Gaylord was trying to sell that it was at work. And I was like, no, I've heard that story from too many sources to know that that. Because I remember the first time I ever heard it. And somebody's like, yeah, from what I heard, Gaylord, like, jumped Eddie from behind. Doug come in, saw Gaylord on. Eddie come through, busted the bottle on him. I'm like, yeah, that checks out. I can totally see Doug doing that. Somebody's on his brother. And that's what. [00:58:13] Speaker B: The following night, they was at a show, like, you know, they said like a spot show, which wasn't hardly any of them on our TV at that time, but, you know, there's just a different little town there. One of the guys walked in for some reason, it seems like. I remember it was being Billy Travis or somebody like them walked in. Gaylord was there and dressed, and his eye was all kind of messed up. Message. Yeah, what happened to Y Jeff? And they said, you kind of turned away from and everything, which they all knew what had. Had happened and everything. But I thought I Was saying, guys, leave him alone. I thought I had to fight him again next week, but, I mean, I don't care. That's. That's what I've done if I had to. But. But like I said, it was. That was some different. And, you know, I tried to think about it, like, maybe the way some of them did. And that's what I told Eddie. I said, maybe they think since you're not using them in which, you know, he would throw one or two of them in here, there. But here's the thing. You could have used all of them, but you didn't any of them want to do business as far as putting people over on. And it didn't hurt. If you look at the crew that Eddie had in there, we all put each other over. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't a. It wasn't a night as far as me. As far as. I mean, even. Yeah, when they was leaving, I beat Dale. I wound up being the North American champion. Why? As a champion, I dropped belt, But I still put guys over during that time. And all the rest of the guys that. The guys. That was Eddie's guys, they always put everybody over. It wasn't a thing about not. Not putting people over. But when you. I guess their logic was they was in Dallas at the time and they lived there and they didn't want to. Which that's not good logic, I'm saying. I guess I. I could understand it. It wasn't business logic, but I guess they thought, well, the rest of these guys are going to leave, and if they beat us, and we're not going to mean anything. But that's not. That's not the wrestling business. [01:00:02] Speaker C: Well, two things about that. One, you're rebuilding Dallas because, you know, it was dead. And so you. You needed new faces in there to do that. And if you were going to use guys who had been around, you're going to need to beat them to help get these new guys over. But the other thing, too, is you guys were looking bigger than you guys weren't looking at. Okay. This is a weekly show in Dallas. This is a show on national television on espn, right? [01:00:27] Speaker B: And. And Eddie would read the. The real good deal that I thought Eddie did with. With everybody was he would repackage, you know, people. I mean. I mean, repackage and rename them re. Put them in a different group. I mean, get another run out of them. I mean, like. I mean, as far as. My brother loved Pez Wadley. Anywhere he went, he would. He would Carry Pez, if Pez wanted a job and everything. But there were certain guys, I mean, and whoever was there, he would. If they could work, he would repackage him. I mean, change your name, do something with them. And a lot of time that just get heat with people and they would draw money. I mean, it's just, you know, it's just having the brain to put people in the right situations to make the most out of their ability. [01:01:12] Speaker C: I remember when he made Pez, will he be hurt? And I'm seeing the ads for Willie be Hurt. And I'm like, I've never heard will it be hurt? And then when he came on tv, I was like, oh, that's Pez. [01:01:21] Speaker B: Wow. And I. And I love that because I got to work with Pez a bunch when he was Willie be hurt. I love fans. I mean, like I said, Pez was my first manager. I mean, that was, you know, a cool deal, which I love Pez and Pez is one of them guys that could freaking tie people up in a knot. I mean, I mean, you know, that was pay as pizz was cool and everything, but, I mean, there's so many different guys like that in the different territories that, you know, you might not have thought you knew when you just heard the odd or different names. But then when they come out, it'd be somebody that, you know, the face might. You might recognize the face would be somebody that had been someone else before. [01:01:58] Speaker C: So we're getting low on time, so we're going to run through these names real quick because if you have a fun story about them or just the first thing that kind of pops in your head. Hollywood John Tatum. [01:02:08] Speaker B: Man, John was a. A freaking. I always got along real well with John. John. John was cool to me. John was a entertainer and a. Just. John was a fun. John would have a. Like, we all should be. You shouldn't. None of us worry, right? I mean, it don't do any good to worry about anything. But John was one of them guys. I don't think he ever worried about much that he might have got into a lot of stuff maybe shouldn't have at different times. But John was. John was always really cool to me. And. And everything was just. And if you wanted to have a good time and you was out and about and John was by himself. Man, he was a. He was a blast. And man, John could freaking work. I mean, if. If you look at any of his stuff, he could freaking work. I mean, and he. He was. They did an angle down here in Memphis One time with, with my brother and Tony Anthony and John. And it was one of them times I was in Japan and the first like they, the first couple weeks is in six man tags and they was going to be in one. The third week with the first two weeks, John come down from Texas and man, they was doing good, drawing good money. And I mean, Eddie had he, Tony Anthony did, John did. And like the third week John Collins said I can't come back. Something just. He will be off for a couple weeks or something. But, but man, when he was, when he was here and he wanted to do business and everything, man, he could freaking. Like I said, he could work and get heat and I mean he had that look and I mean he could sure talk. I mean. But I like John. Everybody's got their own John stories. But man, he was always cool to me and I was a younger fella back then, everything and he was always real nice. [01:03:49] Speaker C: Awesome. What about. And this is a guy you worked with quite a bit. I know Eddie worked with him quite a bit. Terry Garvin. [01:03:56] Speaker B: Man, I liked everybody had their own stories, like I said, they do about all of us. But, but Terry was always. I, I worked with him on those global TVs probably half a dozen times and everything. But I always got along good with him. I heard different people, you know, had their opinions about him here, which when he was here he was more of a talker than, than a worker. And in Dallas, Eddie used more as a wrestler than a, than a talker and everything. But man, I thought he could hold his own. And I mean he was, he was always nice to me. We got along real well and everything. But I mean, I always thought he was a great guy. [01:04:30] Speaker C: Is that one of the guys that Eddie kind of recreated? Because, you know, before that he had always done kind of the Jimmy Garvin. He was Terry the Beauty and he had tagged with the Beast. And so then in global, you know, he cuts his hair, he gets a little more of an edge to him. You know, we dropped the Beauty. He's working as a baby face. Was that Eddie Bookie? [01:04:49] Speaker B: Yeah, that was Eddie's doing. And Eddie was trying to change him as he went just a little bit more all the time. And I think they got to a good point. But I mean, like I said, the point I was talking about was like when you talk about he. He worked a little bit, but he was more of a manager with that. The Beast guy wasn't in everything, but man, Terry could work and the people would get behind him. At Dallas and everything. And now when Terry originally Gene when. [01:05:17] Speaker C: He originally from Kentucky I believe so that sounds right. I think he eventually moved down the Texas. I know eventually in Global they, they got away from the Garvin name altogether. I think he, he started calling himself Terry Sims which I think was his actual shoot. [01:05:32] Speaker B: That's what I think Eddie wanted him to do that just to get him back. That was his actually real name. Yeah and like I said, I mean I always got along with him well like I said I worked with him half a dozen times and I mean he could hold his own and I mean he, I mean whatever for business wise that Eddie needed him to do. He was always good and always a. [01:05:51] Speaker C: Hell of a lot like Jimmy Garvin for sure. But right was questionable because of the guy from wwe. [01:05:57] Speaker B: Exactly. And that's what I think Eddie was trying to get away from and but everything but he was, he'd show up. He was, you know, he was reliable. He was always I mean whatever business wise you need him to do, he was there and he was. Would do it and I mean he was just, he was always good guy. [01:06:14] Speaker C: Now I know you worked some, several matches with Gary Young. You mentioned him earlier. [01:06:19] Speaker B: Oh yeah, he's another good guy. Which Gary was another one of them guys. If you look at him on, on tv he didn't look, I mean it just looked like he was in good shape and Gary was, he's in great shape. And as far as his endurance, as far as wind, as far as working out and everything. But Gary was, he was a big guy. He was just long like I mean his arms was long and he was just, I mean he was one of those guys that got in the business. I mean like I was trying to think he was in. He worked for the Funks. I think my dad went out there like in 76 or 7 or something. Gary was just starting out there about then and everything. And you know I'd heard stories that he'd tell me about being out there when my dad started and everything. But I always, always liked Gary was one of them solid workers that I mean anything he done looked good and I mean his stuff, everything was believable and I mean he, he was a. Which you know, Eddie was once started calling Gorgeous Gary Young got him to get the robes and everything. That was in mid south when Eddie started that with him. [01:07:21] Speaker C: And I guess a lot of people know him for teaming with with Mick Foley in Memphis as Cactus Jack, then eventually out in Texas as well. [01:07:28] Speaker B: That's right. [01:07:30] Speaker C: Speaking of Texas. And we can't talk about Texas without mentioning these couple of guys real quick. And I don't know how much they were around at the same time. You are Black Bart. [01:07:39] Speaker B: Black Bart was. I was around Black Bart not, not so much in Texas, but when he was here in Tennessee and in Atlanta I was around him a ton. And I love Bart. I still, I talked to him. I don't think I've talked to him this year but I try to make sure I talk to him a couple of times a year and everything. And I'll call him and we'll talk for 20 minutes or something. But I always, when he lived here in Nashville and everything, I'd ride. They either ride with me or I'd ride with them almost every day. Himself and Tony Anthony, they was a tag team for a while here in the US and everything. But I love both them guys. That's too hard workers and two guys, it's. I say big guys. Well, I don't guess I should say big guys. By the way, what we look at today is big guys say guys. My say 6 foot 6 one or something that both of them was 262 7, 280 or whatever Bart was. But Bart was just one of those believable guys. And I mean everything I ever seen him do look good. [01:08:39] Speaker C: And last name Scott Levy. I think out there he was Scott Anthony and of course Scotty the Body and eventually Raven. [01:08:46] Speaker B: I was excited. He went through more, more names than me and a couple other guys has. But anyway, I like. Scotty was always nice and he's just for guys that, that didn't know it was him. If they looked at some of the different characters they wouldn't, they'd say man, this can't be the same guy. But I mean he started out as the, the young, handsome, baby faced. He went through that. I mean they went through about four or five gimmicks. What was the one WWF having like a polo player? [01:09:14] Speaker C: Johnny Polo. [01:09:15] Speaker B: Johnny Polo. That's one you didn't say. But I was trying to think. There's a couple other ones I don't think he said. But I laughed because. But he was always nice. Like we'd rent when he was here in this territory. We would rent. We was which, like I said, we was young fellas. We'd rent convertibles and everything else. Me and him and Brian and we'd drive them from Memphis to Little. By the time we got to Louisville, we'd put the top back up. Geez, why'd we get these for but just having fun and like I said, we was young and, and everything, but he was, he was always cool and everything. I mean and all of the different characters. Now a little later on he changed a little bit in that Raven deal and everything, but I mean he was always still nice to me and everything but. But that was the only one. I think he kind of changed just a little bit. But man, he's always still. He's always been super nice to me. [01:09:59] Speaker C: On the US podcast, the episode we just watched, he and Brian, he was Scotty Flamingo at that point. [01:10:05] Speaker B: Okay. [01:10:06] Speaker C: He and Brian had just won the US to be a tag titles from the Moondogs and it was a short lived tag team. But me and, me and Josh and Richard on the show, I've really been enjoying those guys together so far. [01:10:17] Speaker B: Well, that would have had been a short lived tag team because hell, you'd had two microphones for both of them if they was out there and they'd both been talking over each other. [01:10:25] Speaker C: Oh yeah, it's been a lot of fun watching that. But. [01:10:29] Speaker B: But the thing about it, both of them could sure talk. So I mean that would have been good also. [01:10:34] Speaker C: I mean that's what we were talking about. The one we recorded earlier today is like such heat because they had just won the tag titles. They come out singing we are the Champions. [01:10:42] Speaker B: Right. [01:10:42] Speaker C: Brian clearly didn't know the words. He got lost after the chorus and Scotty's still trying to sing it. [01:10:47] Speaker B: Oh, that's what, that's. And stuff like that's what's so cool. And, and that's what I'm saying. But both of them could talk. Like I said, we'll go back global with Bruce Pritchard. You know, the Dark Patriot wasn't like I listened to something the other day. Somebody sent me some, a couple of interviews before Bruce got there where I was talking. It was so much better with me not talking and Bruce talking. And like I said, Bruce is so good at doing what he done and everything. [01:11:11] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, he. I thought that was a great pairing him coming in to. To manage the Dark Patriot. So before we wrap this one up, I guess how did the global run come to an end for you and Eddie? [01:11:25] Speaker B: It come to an end. I was trying to think the, the last TV I went to, I was going. I was gonna go back to Japan for two weeks and I knew they were saying they was a little hesitant about what direction they was going in because supposedly they had had another money person that was coming in and, and I think Eddie Said Joe had told him that. Said they, they like the espn, like the, the TV because the ratings was good on it and everything. And Joe was gonna have to see what going forward that whoever was putting the money in what direction that they was going to go, which Eddie told him it didn't, it was cool to him whatever they done. So for that two week period, I was in Japan. That's. I think I went that time for like two weeks. And I come back. When I come back, Eddie said they're fixing going different direction. I said they are? And he said, yeah. And I thought, well, that's, you know, that's, that's cool or it's okay or, you know, it wasn't to me make me or break me deals like you said. I mean the, what was cool about working for them was, I mean, I love the, the TV being on it and everybody getting to see it and everything. But the cool thing about work with them, you could do your other stuff if you needed to go. You know, if I need to go Japan or if I need to go up north for, you know, Friday or Saturday night and miss taping or something. I mean, that's one thing. I didn't want to do that because I didn't put my brother in spot because he had put me in such a good spot there. But they were, they was cool with that though, where a lot of people wouldn't have been. So that's what I always thought was great with that. But the good thing about all of it, me and my brothers wound up. We stayed friends with Joe and like I said, you know, Joe's good dude and everything. And I had a, I had a blast. We're always a global and. But I think it was just at that point when it was time just for a different direction. I think if, if Joe would have had the money that, that he was, that he thought he was going to have or if he'd had a tenth of the money that he thought he was going to have, I think Eddie would have still been there and been his guy in his book as long as he had it. [01:13:41] Speaker C: Well, things got so sideways with the money. If, if my understanding is right, even Joe went away not very long after you guys did. Even he, he got out of there because it just wasn't what he started. [01:13:51] Speaker B: I think he stayed a couple weeks, didn't he? Yeah. [01:13:53] Speaker C: I mean, longer at all. [01:13:55] Speaker B: Yeah, he wasn't there long and then it wound up going. But then, then after which, I mean, global went away. But didn't it Go back to the Bon Erics again team. Do you. Do you know. [01:14:04] Speaker C: Do you remember eventually they. They brought the Bon Erics in. They never owned it. I know there's a notorious story and I know Sid could speak on this because he was involved eventually when Carrie died, he went doing. Yeah, they did a memorial. [01:14:25] Speaker B: A memorial show and said benefit. Yeah. [01:14:32] Speaker C: Von Erichs held him up for money. Is that true? [01:14:34] Speaker B: Kevin did, yeah. Yeah. And I asked him, he was telling me about this on a trip and I said what? He said, you guy went for nothing. I think he said he got Booker T. Maybe to go for nothing and maybe that Stevie Ray. I think that's when both them was still together. I think he got. Got both of them to go for nothing, which Sia did himself got him to go because he said the money was going to carry kids, I think is what the. [01:14:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:15:00] Speaker B: The deal was. But then they all got there and they said. And it was good and everything. They was waiting on Kevin and or now this is a story I heard that they was waiting on Kevin and then they called him and he said, I want such and such grand or I'm not coming. And I thought, well, like I said that that's the story that. That I had got. And I forgot about that till you started saying that. [01:15:23] Speaker C: I've heard from multiple sources. And. And I thought, well, yeah, I think that's sad. [01:15:30] Speaker B: I don't want to say I'm 100 sure it is, but it's hard for you saying that. Then me remember what Sid's story was about because I wouldn't even knew anything about it, Jean, if it wasn't for being told right and everything. But listen, hey, I hope we've covered a lot of stuff and I hope everybody likes listening. And Gene, what do we do? We have a question or two from some of the people or have you done ask for those? [01:15:52] Speaker C: I asked you one about Jeff Gaylord, but let's hit. Let's hit at least one more here. Don Deputy from Facebook who's a really good poster over on the Facebook page and shares and likes a lot of stuff over there city. He'd like to hear a little bit about your time in IWA Mid south in the 90s, which I guess that'd be Ian Rotten's promotion over in Kentucky. [01:16:11] Speaker B: That would be it. You know, when. When USWA shut down. This is. You're gonna laugh about this. On Tuesday night I wrestled with Louisville Gardens. Well, their shows was on Thursday night. They had a. A building. What it was, it was. You Remember the old Walmart buildings? Like when the Walmart changed into the newer buildings? Most of them just left their old building and built a. A bigger newer building. Well, I was trying to think of the road that that building was on, but we, I went over there, like I said, wrestled it little on Tuesday night. Well, that's when the territory had been sold, when it been sold to Larry Bartram or Burton or whatever and the guy from Cleveland. And so at that Tuesday night show, I plugged Thursday night show, somebody said, I went to the back and I said, I can't believe you did that. I said, well, what can't you believe? I'm gonna be over there Thursday night. And they said okay. And that's when the territory was actually closed when they, you know, done away with their lease like from the Louisville Gardens and everything. So I was just plugging stuff that, you know I was going to be on that I'd book myself on. But some people said, I can't believe you've done that. I thought, well, why not? Wouldn't you? I wanted to draw. I wanted to at least let the people know. But the thing about it, what some people said was all you're doing is you're giving them credit from our guys to their guys. And I thought, well, I hope something rubs off a little bit because I'd like to still be able to make a living everywhere I go. Yeah, and everything. But man, I worked with so many different guys and he'd bring in guys like, you know, they wind up for one of the shows brought in Funk me against Funk. Called it the. Whoever won it was the King of Louisville or something, which the only thing, you know, you'd heard it a million times. In Memphis I'm doing that because we've done tv, but in Louisville you didn't hear it so much. But I worked with Funk for him. I worked with Ian. I worked with any of anybody that kind of was friends with him. I worked with them during those days and that's when I was, was IWA champion as far as the. The title from Japan that I would bring back and forth. So I defended every once in a while against some of those guys and everything, but it was cool. And then we had the iwa, his heavyweight title. And I had it for a little bit here and there, but I mean, I just work against. And their guys was more that ECW style or, you know, they would have any kind of glass and any kind of just. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but they do the bulb stuff. And every once in a while they do a tad of it to me, but not, not too much, but. [01:18:34] Speaker C: Right. [01:18:35] Speaker B: Like a lot of his guys wasn't. Wasn't that big of fans of mine because I would go out there and wrestle. I mean, just, you know, I mean, we do like stuff like. We would do like Texas death stuff and everything, but like our style. Not like the, the. The bulb and. And windows and. And all that. But they do a lot of that. And, and there was a lot of them that was good workers that would do that. And I said, man, you. You don't really have to do that. Like, I'd get them out there with me and just get them to do our style. I'd show them because I'd be a heel over there and I'd say, look, all it's going to take is. Is me getting you over a little bit and you'll be fine. I said, just listen. It's not. And. And there was three or four of them that was really good guys and everything. And I got along with a bunch of them over there and I had great times over there. And I mean, hell, he drew. He drew a lot of money over there in Louisville. [01:19:23] Speaker C: He was around for a long time. He. He held in there. [01:19:27] Speaker B: Yeah, he sure did. I mean. And there you go again. Here's another guy that you hear if. If you ask nine other guys. No. Tell them what kind of stories you get, but knock on wooden. But the majority of the time, whatever he told me, it was pretty much the truth. So that's what I got to go with. One time he. He booked me on like four shows and it was in a row and I knew it. It was a. He had so much talent on him. He had like sabo three or four other ECW guys myself. And I just thought, this can't turn out. It was like Eddie showing Louisville, which I knew that would do good. But then these spot shows off that I knew they wouldn't do good. So I wound up doing just. I did the main show. Then I went on back home and somebody told me, said, ah. He said you was a. For not coming. I thought, shoot. All I've done was done him. Done him a favor. I said freaking a grand more having to pay me and. But anyway, on one of the. I. I laughed one time on one of his, you know, he. He'd sell his. His shows, you know, make video and sell them. But I want things. Somebody sent me a clip, one that said it was me working with somebody and he said, yeah, that Doug Gilbert can be an at times. But it was after that where I didn't go and I thought, well, at least he got to say what he wanted to. But he was always all right with me. I mean I didn't have no problems with whatever he said. [01:20:48] Speaker C: Well, all right, man. Episode number three was in the books. We learned a lot about Global tonight and I enjoyed it. And next week we're going to be talking about some Mid south uwf. [01:20:58] Speaker B: Hey yeah, now that's some cool stuff there. And man, I want to tell everybody thanks for listening and everything. But yeah, we're gonna be talking about me and Gene was talking about it earlier talking about some Mid south stuff. There's some great stories from that UWF Mid south days. Man, this great stories, great talent. But hey, thanks everybody for listening. And like I said, peace everybody be cool. [01:21:26] Speaker C: Hey folks, before we get out of here, I just want to take a moment to remind you to check out Doug Gilbert podcast.com There you can find links to all things related to this podcast and to Doug himself. There are links to the Dangerous Conversation Facebook's page where we post all sorts of great content regularly involving the Gilbert family. There's the Dangerous Conversations x Twitter that we have. Plus there's a link to the Dangerous Doug Gilbert Facebook and X pages where you can keep up with everything Doug has coming up, like shows, signings, conventions, you name it. 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