Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: From title belts to hall of Fame Doug and Tommy carved the name Fists of fury and hearts of gold Every story, every fight retold Tales of glory, laugh and cry Tennessee warriors with hearts open wild in the ring, on the air Legends living without a care on the map they roar on the map they soar Dangerous conversations Fans want to.
[00:00:43] Speaker B: Know.
[00:00:49] Speaker A: Our gas kings to lie get this wrestling.
[00:01:00] Speaker C: Hey everybody. Welcome back once again to Dangerous Conversations with Dangerous Doug Gilbert and Tommy Wildfire Rich. Guys, we took a week off for Labor Day and now we're back.
What all did you do over the Labor Day holiday or since we last spoke here on the show?
[00:01:17] Speaker D: Tommy, I know you did more than I did, so you can go first.
[00:01:21] Speaker B: Well, I see we went to, we went out to my daughter's and had a big cookout and then we've come to fight, went to the fireworks show and laid out the day during the beat, you know, at the beach. Had a pretty good, pretty good Labor Day weekend, man.
[00:01:34] Speaker D: Me and Melissa did also and everything. Gene, we, we kicked back and done some stuff, got on the side beside, rolled on some trails and, and just, you know, we kick back like so we barbecued a little bit and everything. We had a good holiday weekend, everything and it was all really great. Last night I wrestled at the Manchester Fair and that was a cool deal and everything. I had a great time there and met a lot of old school fans and young fans and everything and that was really cool and signed a lot of autographs and I told Tommy I was actually shocked. There was people brought programs from, from 93, 92, 94.
And man, it was cool seeing them and everything. Me and Tommy against PG and Tommy against Brian and myself against Stephen Dunn and, and different things like that. And that was really cool. I liked all that and everything and I had a good time up there. And since I'm talking about dates and everything. September 10th, which is Wednesday night, we'll be in Lexington, Tennessee, my hometown, hometown Gilbert, Lexington, Tennessee, Henderson County Fair. Myself, Tommy Wildfire Rich will be signing autographs, meet and greet from 5 to 6, then wrestling will be right after it and everything. You can come see us up there. And like I said, that's Wednesday night, September 10th, and then September 11th, me and Tommy will be at some, a couple businesses, I think in Jackson, Tennessee, and you'll be able to see us there. And September 12th, Ripley, Tennessee will be there wrestling. And then September 13th you'll get to see us in Dyersburg, Tennessee. And then September 14th would be at the West Tennessee Comic Con. At the Carl Perkins Civic center in Jackson, Tennessee. And man, this is gonna be a big weekend right there of wrestling. You go to September 20th, the Banana Festival in South Fulton, Tennessee. From 11 to 2 you'll have wildfire, Tommy Rich, Dangerous, Doug Gilbert, Jerry the King Lawler, Jimmy the Mouth, South Hark. So that's gonna be a big day there. And then me and Tommy will leave straight from there at 2 and we'll be driving to Paragould, Arkansas. We'll be at Paragould, Arkansas at the Horicon right there at the Green County Fairgrounds. And we'll be signing there from I think it's five to seven. Then the matches start at seven and you can come out and see a. You get us to sign whatever you want and watch us wrestle. And then we've got October 3rd, meet and greet, Captain's Corner, and October 4th, Memphis, Tennessee at the Tiger Lane, Memphis Tigers, the Memphis Mafia Tour. We're going around everywhere. Tommy's got some stuff coming up with him and Tony Atlas and Frank in Franklin, Tennessee. Then we've got in November with me and him and Tommy. What, what is the town we're doing? It's November 26th, 27th, I think.
[00:04:47] Speaker B: Tennessee.
[00:04:48] Speaker D: Lebanon, Tennessee. I told Tommy, that's my town, Lebanon. He can't have it. But anyway, yeah, we got a lot of stuff going on, Gene. And we got kick on into November. November, the what is 26 and 27th.
We're gonna be over Mississippi, aren't we?
[00:05:04] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it's the 21st and 22nd.
[00:05:06] Speaker D: All right, I'm sorry. Yeah, 21st and 22nd. I don't have that wrote on my paper here. And I. I try to get Tommy to say some of these, but he don't want to do it. So I'm.
I'm looking at a piece of paper that's got my scribbling on and I can't read half of it, so I need to write a little better, I guess. But yeah, it was cool. The guys come out last night and there was about four or five guys and they got me to sign some old stuff and they bought some pictures and stuff and. And man, we had a good time up there last night.
[00:05:35] Speaker C: Yeah, I seen where. Where one guy shared a bunch of those programs and different things he had had you sign.
Yeah, I guess it was last night. It's probably right after. Right after he had seen you probably. But yeah, that was a lot of cool stuff. I'd like to have been there to, to look through some of those programs. That was really cool.
[00:05:49] Speaker B: But.
[00:05:50] Speaker D: And it was cool.
I got a experience that I'd never had before. I was. Was in a tag team match with the King of Kingsboard. I'd never knew there was a guy called the King of Kingsport. I knew the guy well, but I didn't know he was called the King of Kingsport. But that was a new one to me. But Bo James was my partner. Tommy, last night, he had a bull whip. You remember Dutch Mantel had the. Yeah, bull whip. Well, I think he's. I think he stole Dutch Mantel's bull whip, but he had it popping. I made sure I stayed away from him when he was doing it.
[00:06:24] Speaker C: Did he have a crown to go with that King of Kingsford?
[00:06:27] Speaker D: Well, he didn't have the crown. That's why I was kind of okay, worried about I might need to carry him a crown or something.
[00:06:32] Speaker C: Because I was gonna say, if he has a crown and a bullwhip, that's. That's a lot.
[00:06:37] Speaker D: What's that, Tommy?
[00:06:38] Speaker B: How's he a king with no crown?
[00:06:40] Speaker D: Well, maybe the bull whips.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: His crown crown. He is the.
[00:06:47] Speaker D: Yeah, there. There you go. Yeah, but he don't have the crown, but he's got a bullwhip. So maybe he would think a crown animal way too much, but, man, yeah, I got it.
But it was cool. I thought we had a good match and everything. People seem to enjoy it and everything. And like I said, it was cool. And I told one guy, tommy, you laugh. I told him, I said, you know, Tommy always used to try to get me to come out and sign stuff and everything. And I said, I'd say, now, you just go. I said, he'd go out. And I said, now, you know what I said?
Things really do change, don't they? I said, now, I'd rather sit out here and talk to y' all and sign stuff. And I had to do some other stuff. And he said, we all change, don't we, Doug? I said, well, I guess I sure do. I said, because Tommy say, come on with me. I said, I'd say, no, you just go. I said, a lot of times he'd just go. I said, every once in a while he talked me into it. But I said, I think that's why I hadn't signed very much stuff as far as that goes, as far as around these parts and everything.
[00:07:43] Speaker C: I imagine you still have writers cramped today because I saw at least, like, I don't know, 15 or 20 things that you had signed in variations of Dirty Doug Gilbert. And dangerous Doug Gilbert and hitman Doug Gilbert. There you go. Hitman Doug Gilbert.
[00:07:58] Speaker D: So, yeah, and people don't realize before there was a hitman Brett Hart, there was hitman Doug Gilbert. That's kind of interesting.
[00:08:07] Speaker C: Well, guys, we've been getting some questions sent in from the listeners, so I thought it was time before they pile up too much, that we take a week and do a Q and A again. I know you guys usually like to. To see what the listeners have to say and what kind of questions they got for you. So you guys ready to kick that off and.
[00:08:23] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, we're ready to kick it off, but I got the lesson. Coming home last night is 200 and like 10 miles from, from Manchester to my home. And I got to listen to Tommy Rich and your main man Gene, Randy Hills. I got to listen and watch them on my phone and everything. Now you talking about an interesting show. It was an interesting show.
[00:08:53] Speaker C: I wanted to catch that because I saw where Randy Hill shared that he was going to be on Dangerously Conversation with Tommy Rich last night. And I didn't know if Paul Heymon was going to be there or something. I never heard a Dangerously conversation. But that's what he called it.
[00:09:09] Speaker D: Is that what he called it? Well, maybe you got a little confused, but anyway, but, but I listened to it and watched it all the way back when Tommy started saying, I want to start telling your your stories. Now. Randy got a little paranoid. Then I laughed. That was funny. And then, and then I, I laughed. And, And Melissa did too because she. I was watching it and she was driving and I, I laughed about the part when that Dan, he's cool and everything. He's talking about Tommy being a big magnet. Gene, have you heard a big magnet? You know what a big magnet is?
[00:09:46] Speaker C: I mean, I've heard. I've heard other words plugged in in front of that term, but I know surely weren't saying it on the radio in, In Jackson last night.
[00:09:55] Speaker D: I wouldn't think he's a big sex magnet.
[00:09:57] Speaker B: I like.
[00:10:00] Speaker C: There you go.
[00:10:00] Speaker D: I said. And Melissa said, if Terry's listening to this, she's gonna say, oh, my goodness, I'm going to bed. I ain't listening anymore. This I laughed at. I.
[00:10:11] Speaker B: But.
[00:10:11] Speaker D: But Randy did say, I told Tommy and this is cool, but. Which Randy was trying to explain it and everything, but what he was saying was how Tommy got over. He was saying that at the time there was no young guys in the territory that could work. And you had like, like Jerry Jarrett was the, the young guy you know, then. And I mean, Jerry wasn't that young, but you know what I'm saying, there was no young like 18, 19 year old kids that, you know, get sympathy and everything. And he said when Tommy come in, he said he was just the magnet. He was the, the girls in Jonesboro, when he would bleed, they. They'd come to the Coliseum and when they.
[00:10:51] Speaker B: He would bleed, they would just cry.
[00:10:53] Speaker D: And, and he was going into that and I mean, but he's telling the truth, and that is the truth. But I told Tommy, I said, well, he could have just said that you. It wasn't just that you.
He said that you look so good that you could work and everything. But I told Tommy, I said, tommy, you didn't say it either. I said, you could have told him it. You know, one thing that got him.
[00:11:13] Speaker B: To do that was you could work.
[00:11:14] Speaker D: That was the, the thing. Tommy started laughing after I told him that. But, but it was, it was cool. It was a good show, Gene. It was a great show and I appreciate Randy filling in for me. Like I said, I had to be on the roads in Manchester and everything. I had a great night and I think Tommy had fun on the show also.
[00:11:30] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, they had me flabbergasted.
[00:11:34] Speaker C: Yeah, if I'd have called you any kind of magnet on here, I'd had to cut it out and we got done, I'd have got in trouble.
[00:11:41] Speaker D: There you go. I was laughing, I was laughing.
It was funny. But anyway, it was great show. I thought, I thought Randy did a great job, Tommy did a great job. Dan did a great job. I appreciate him doing it. With me being gone, whichever, once in a while, Tommy or myself, one got to be off. We've got stuff to do and, and we'll get people to fill in. When we get you to fill in, we'll get you to fill in. But the only thing about you, you've got podcasts every night, so we can't get you very much.
[00:12:07] Speaker C: So.
[00:12:08] Speaker D: But hey, one of the cool things like this October 4th, gene is, is this, this Memphis Tigers deal where all the guys get together. Lawler, Tommy, Myself, Jimmy Hart, Coco, Wear, Ridge, be fine.
A lot of us all, let's get together and we do a signing, a little meet and greet deal and then we, we wrestle and everything. I mean, it's, it's really a cool deal there, and I'm looking real forward to that and everything. But that's a really cool, cool thing for people to come out to them. When me and some, me and Tommy See, all the old school fans and like he said, the young fans and everything, and they introduced their moms, dads, grandparents, introduce them to us, and that's kind of a neat deal.
[00:12:57] Speaker B: Yeah, that Memphis Mountains on tour, man, that's what I'm talking about. Yes, sir. We busy.
[00:13:02] Speaker C: Busy tearing it up all over the place. So make sure you catch these guys. They're coming somewhere near you.
You know, pick which one you want to go to, and if it's. If it's not real near you, can. You can drive and see, these guys, they're worth.
[00:13:16] Speaker B: They're worth all of them.
[00:13:19] Speaker C: There you go. Go on. Need to tour along with, like they used to do for the Grateful Dead.
[00:13:23] Speaker D: And stuff, that Woodstock.
[00:13:25] Speaker C: There you go. That's. That's what we need to do.
[00:13:27] Speaker D: And. And that's the town. Y' all know that Manchester is where that.
What's it. It's like Woodstock, but what they call Lola Palooza.
[00:13:36] Speaker C: Yeah, that's.
[00:13:37] Speaker D: That's in Manchester, Tennessee. And they just told me that. The guy told me that this morning. I didn't even know it.
[00:13:44] Speaker C: Ah, there's ridiculous amounts of people turn. Turned out for that. So.
[00:13:49] Speaker D: Yeah, it's crazy.
[00:13:50] Speaker C: All right, you guys ready to answer a few questions here?
[00:13:54] Speaker B: Shoot yet.
[00:13:55] Speaker D: Tommy, as I said, by the way, he's looking at that magnet.
[00:13:58] Speaker C: He's ready for something.
All right, here we go. This is. Some of these questions are for both of you and summer, for each of you.
[00:14:06] Speaker D: We'll.
[00:14:06] Speaker C: We'll see.
[00:14:07] Speaker D: Hey, Jeannie, time is down at Memphis Mafia shirt. We need to make sure everybody knows. Go to pro wrestling tees. Give her family.
You get those Memphis Mafia shirts.
[00:14:18] Speaker C: Yes. Hopefully you went during. They just had a big special over there. You got to keep an eye on all the.
The Facebook for the podcast and for Doug, and, you know, he'll let you know when new stuff goes up, specials and everything. And there's a lot of great new shirts up there.
[00:14:34] Speaker D: And Gene, you got to send. You got to send me a Tommy mug shirt. Mug shot shirt.
[00:14:40] Speaker C: Yeah, get you one of those.
[00:14:42] Speaker D: Yeah, that's the best. And you know what? The cool thing, Road dog text me, and he said, guess what I bought today? I said, what's that? And he showed me the. The. You know, the numbers where it shows where he bought it and everything.
He said, I got me one of these. He said, look at Tommy smiling with his hair looking pretty.
So you'll see Road dog wearing a Tommy Rich shirt. Mug shot.
[00:15:08] Speaker C: Yeah. Wolfie sent me a screenshot of that because Road Dog sent it to him, and then he messaged me. He goes, oh, my God, have you seen this? And I'm like, yeah, that's my store. He's like, oh. He's like, does Tommy know about it? I'm like, yeah, he knows about it.
[00:15:21] Speaker D: It's. Yeah. See, now, Wolfie still ain't smart. And you think he is, Gene, he thinks Tommy get hot. Tommy loves the shirt.
[00:15:28] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. I guess he thought it was good. He said he sent it to Tommy. I'm like, yeah, Tommy knows.
Anyway, so intern number two asks for both of you.
Says the infamous angle in 1990 involving Jerry Lawler and the Snowman has been discussed on some of Gene's other podcast. But do either of you have any stories or memories of Snowman? Eddie Crawford?
[00:15:56] Speaker B: I. I don't really know.
[00:15:59] Speaker D: Yeah, well, I do.
What happened was Tom Burton.
You remember Tom Burton that worked. He went and he went and told Snowman that Lawler was gonna take the belt off of him, but he booked him against Brian Lee, and he was gonna put it on Brian Lee. And so Snowman walked out of TV and kept the bell and sold the bell. And supposedly somebody told me that he sold somebody and they got it back to. To Lawler. And that might be the truth. I ever asked and he'd tell me, but I've never even, you know, I never even thought nothing about asking, nothing like that, because I've never been that interested in it.
[00:16:47] Speaker C: But Milliken ended up with it at some point, but I don't know if.
[00:16:50] Speaker D: He got it wound up being a big. He made it a racial.
A racial deal Snowman did and everything. And, you know, I. You didn't need to do that and everything, but the. That was one of the deals that was. Was bad about all that.
But like I said, Lawler was going to have him drop Brian Lee, and Brian Lee would have dropped it back to Lawer, but he. Tom Burton went and told him that, and then that's what blowed all the stuff out of the water.
[00:17:21] Speaker C: Yeah, that whole. That whole scenario from getting in was just completely odd. And why they decided to go with that whole race angle just didn't do anything for anybody in the long run. But luckily, once Snowman got out of the territory, Eddie and you guys were back. Not long after that, things kind of got back on track, but.
[00:17:41] Speaker D: Right.
[00:17:42] Speaker C: Brian Tramell asks, Doug, in 1991, Steve Austin was in the USWA, both in Dallas and in Memphis. What kind of a guy was Steve Austin at that point in his career? And did you see the potential in him to become such a big star as he did?
[00:17:56] Speaker D: Man, Steve was a great guy. He was a hard worker. And I mean, you talking about paying his dues. He paid his dues and everything. You know, I never knew those guys had it as bad as they say they did. Now, as far as you know, this was art. Like, Nashville was Tommy's home. Hendersonville, Nashville was Tommy's home. Lexington was my home. And our families was here. So, I mean, and we was taken care of pretty good. And. And by all affairs, I hear they wasn't. And I mean, I hate to know that, man. I would have tried to help them some back then, but, I mean, I didn't think it was that bad for them, which, then you look at it, and they was having to pay hotels and pay for their food. And, you know, I heard them on some stuff say that, you know, they would just eat this or that because they just had that much money to do it. But when we was looking at it, we had money. I mean, we weren't rich by no means or making a fortune, but we was making a good living.
[00:19:04] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:19:04] Speaker D: And everything. And there were certain guys and whether this is right or wrong that got taken care of a little better than others and everything. And I mean, you know, like my dad, when Jarrett started, my dad went with Jared. And like I said, Jared said that my dad was one of the five guys that he would always would be his five guys because they went with him and helped him get his stuff started and draw drawing money and everything. Then, like, you know, Tommy started. And you know, I mean, Tommy was Jerry's boy. I mean, you know, Tommy worked on Jerry's farm. And I don't mean boy, but bad boy. You know what I'm saying and everything. I mean, somebody else was saving, like you said. I racial said. I don't mean racist. I mean, but Tommy was, you know, was Jerry's boy. Jerry and Eddie Marlin loved Tommy and everything. And I mean, I'm glad they did. And, you know, it's just.
But going back to Steve Austin, those guys. You said Steve. Did you say someone else?
[00:20:04] Speaker C: No, he just mentioned Steve Austin. But he said, did you see the potential in him to become as big a star as it is? But I don't think anybody that in 91 could have seen him being as big as he became. I don't think you really see anybody blowing up that big, really.
[00:20:17] Speaker D: Maybe not as big as he was, but I seen him becoming a star because he was an athlete. He was a great athlete, and he could do anything. And I mean, he worked hard. He went and trained every day. I mean, he was just. He was a great.
I mean, a great talent.
[00:20:34] Speaker B: And very respectful of the business, too. I met him. He come through Georgia some, too, and I was with him down in Louisiana a couple of shots, but just very respectful of the business. I mean, you know, I mean, they did struggle. I mean, especially when they come to uswa, because he's on that develop. What do you call it?
[00:20:54] Speaker C: Developmental.
[00:20:55] Speaker D: They weren't even on the develop.
[00:20:56] Speaker B: Yeah, they were getting paid for the office up there. They weren't getting paid by the, you know, our office. They were getting WWE office.
You know, their. Their deal was different, but there again.
[00:21:08] Speaker D: I mean, hey, Tommy, at the point Gene's talking about, there was no developmental deals.
He comes straight from. From Texas to uswa. There was no Vince back then. I mean, it was just. He was getting paid by. By Jerry. If he'd been getting paid by Vince, he would been making a grand a week, I think, is what he paid those guys in. But he was just getting paid by Jerry. So, I mean, you know, he was.
Now that I look back at it, he was struggling then, but. But we didn't think it was struggling because we lived here and we wasn't paying for hotels every night, you know, monthly rates and hotels and everything.
Like I said, we was kind of taken care of probably a little better than they was and everything, but. But he was a great talent. But, yeah, that was before Vince started paying anybody. Tommy, that was just. Jared was the one paying him.
[00:22:06] Speaker B: Oh, okay.
[00:22:07] Speaker D: And everything. And they stayed at the.
The.
What was it called, Tommy, down there on.
What was the hotel. The famous hotel where all the boys stayed at the. What, Bimbo.
[00:22:23] Speaker C: Bimbo, I think.
[00:22:24] Speaker D: No, in. In Nashville. The. The one that all boys lived at that I stayed at. Gene, what's the name of it? Why can I not remember?
[00:22:31] Speaker C: Stadium in talking about the Alamo?
[00:22:34] Speaker D: No, what was the name of that hotel that makes me so mad, I can't remember.
I remember hearing a little bit yell it out.
[00:22:44] Speaker C: When you think of it, that's fine. We'll go back to it. But.
Yeah, that's wild. We're watching those 91 episodes right now where he's coming in and, you know, Steve's out there with you and Dirty White Boy and Bruno and Jamie and everything. And then you hear these stories of Steve's like, yeah, I was eating raw potatoes and stuff because I couldn't afford anything, and he's like, man, he's standing out there, right there with you guys. Guys who are being taken care of. But little do you guys know that, you know, poor Steve is over here starving. The death. That's why he's got those abs. He's not.
[00:23:13] Speaker D: That's what I'm saying. I hear that these days, and I feel bad. But I mean, you know, at the time, you don't. You don't know it and everything. And I mean, if he said anything to me, I'd give him money. I mean, that's. I mean, that's. You know, I hate that for any of the boys. But like I said that the stadium. Was it stadium in. Or.
[00:23:36] Speaker C: I think the stadium ends. The one in Nashville.
It was years later. I don't know. Maybe not all the way back to.
[00:23:41] Speaker D: The early 90s stadium in. I think S. No, that was the one down there. By. By. That was one Tony F.
Run the Rat show at. I'm trying to think the white was called the White. Something is over there. Tommy. It was right on the road that if we went across from your mom's. And we went right across the interstate. You take a left, it was straight down there. What was that hotel called?
You know what I'm saying? From your mom's house. Like where she. Where she stays. Now if you take a right back and go right before the interstate, take a right and go down. What was that hotel called? But I stayed there with the guys a few nights. And I'd sleep on a cot. And like I said, Gary Young and Max Payne, they had a room there and everything. And they'd bring a COD in there. And I'd sleep on the cot. And everything would be up around Louisville, in Evansville and everything. But I cannot remember to save my life. I remember in a little bit.
[00:24:42] Speaker C: Now, those are some interesting names you mentioned. Gary Young and Max Payne. You got any fun stories about them since their name just happened to come up?
[00:24:49] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. Gary was a really fun guy. In which, you know, Eddie was one. Give him the gorgeous Gary Young gimmick. And Eddie used him real good in Louisiana for Watts. And then got him to bring him here and everything. But, you know, Gary was good. I thought he was a good worker. He was out in West Texas when my.
When my dad got out there. And he wound up messing with somebody's.
I guess I should have said that. But he. He had some kind of woman affairs and got a lot of heat and he got fired. And that was like in. When my dad was in West Texas. So he Went somewhere else then. But then you, when Eddie met him and I met him and everything, Gary was always, I mean, good, solid worker and I mean he looked, he looked good. And I mean he was a big guy. I mean he was big boned and everything. I mean he looked good and everything. But Eddie really liked him. I mean he could work real well.
Everything.
Now that Max Payne, he was a different type cat, that's what I hear.
Yeah, he was, he was different. Tommy used around him a little bit in wcw, wasn't you?
[00:26:05] Speaker B: Not much. I mean he might, I think he was there, but I, he wasn't nobody I hung with.
[00:26:09] Speaker D: Oh, I got you. Well, yeah, he was a different cat.
[00:26:12] Speaker C: He didn't run with the York Foundation.
[00:26:14] Speaker B: No, he didn't run with the yards.
[00:26:17] Speaker D: And you know, he was the one that put the, the camera in his hat and recorded Triple H. You know that.
[00:26:24] Speaker C: Yeah, pretty much did him in.
[00:26:27] Speaker D: Yeah. And well, I mean he said, what do you get him on camera saying that? Breakfast of champion champions backing and how to hold on.
[00:26:41] Speaker C: Before we move past Steve Austin, have you guys ever heard the story? Steve Austin's told this and Jeff has since verified it's true on his podcast where, you know, speaking of people who weren't hurting in USWA at the time, Steve Austin got his check at the end of one week and he's sitting there in the locker room looking at it, just staring at it like, I can't believe this is what I'm getting paid. And Jeff walks over, jokingly slaps Steve on the shoulder and says, you can keep staring at it, ain't gonna get any bigger. And he turns around and walks off. And Austin said that just went up him sideways and he never forgot it. And that's why when it come back around in like 99 and they wanted to do the feud between Jarrett and Austin and the wwf, Austin refused to do it because he didn't want to elevate Jeff because of that one remark back in 91. And they asked Jeff Jerry if that was true and he goes, oh yeah, yeah. I remember saying it wasn't my finest hour, but I do remember saying it. I didn't mean it like that, but he apparently never forgot it.
[00:27:43] Speaker B: That hey, thought he meant it like.
[00:27:46] Speaker D: Yeah, hey, that, that probably cost him about a million. Million half dollars.
[00:27:52] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. Oh, bless his heart.
Well, next question is for both you guys from Pepsi. Phil87, he sent us in several questions over these shows. He said, what did you guys think of Terry Golden's KAW Kick Ass Wrestling promotion that ran in Memphis before it eventually became mcw.
[00:28:12] Speaker D: Man, I actually booked the promotion for Gene. I don't know if you knew that or not. I didn't think. But I'm talking about when it first started. I've got like all the Memphis guys like Tommy Dutch trying to think who else but, but I mean now Terry booked the his guys and everything, but I got like Tommy Dutch. I was trying to remember. I got a couple other guys and I can't remember who they was, but if you ever look back at the cards and everything, you'll be able to tell who they're. Well, I actually got Brian to work one of the shows down there.
[00:28:55] Speaker C: Oh, wow.
[00:28:55] Speaker D: I never knew you worked there and everything. Yeah, wound up. I worked with Brian down there and it wound up getting into me and him. Went out in the people and hold on, trying to think, yeah, that was Brian.
But you know what? That wasn't for kw, that was for Randy. Randy run down there also, didn't he?
Yeah, yeah, he eventually that, that was for Randy. And we went out in the people and me and him was fighting and a fan started hitting Brian. So I had to grab the fan. But that was one of the wild times that, you know, different. Usually they'd be hitting me, but they hit Brian and everything. So that was a different ordeal and everything. Wound up having to go to the police station over there and everything. But that was a different deal. But now, yeah, like I said, I got Tommy Dutch, there was a couple more that I got. But Terry got all of his guys, like the local guys and man, he did a hell of a job with that. And we built it up and everything. And then we wind up, me and Tommy and Terry builded up, got a TV started, got a good tv, got a good TV show. He wound up getting a developmental deal from Vince when, When Randy lost it and everything. And he done real well with it. I mean it was, I really enjoyed it. It was one of the things.
Basically it was like a, like a Southern ACW if you know, it was kick ass, rational, kind of everything went what we do whatever we wanted and. And the people loved it. And every time. And I asked Terry one time after this was, I said, did you like have sponsors and give tickets away? He said, doug, I never give one ticket away. And it was always full at the time. Remember dad?
[00:30:49] Speaker B: Oh yeah. I mean he hustled it. I mean, Terry. Yeah, Terry was. I mean, I didn't like, Dougie said, man, it was a fun place to work. I mean you know, and, and like you, I mean, we, of course we did. Yeah. I mean we'd run it by. But we did what we wanted to. I mean, much.
It was all good. And like I said, I mean it was always full too.
[00:31:10] Speaker D: I mean, and I just asked Terry here a while back, Gina, about the sponsors and he give tickets away, said, doug, I never give one ticket away. He said, every person that was in that building, he said, bought a ticket. And I said, is that right? And he said, yeah. So I figured you had spots or something. He said, no. He said, I just promoted and he did. And Terry's always been good at that and everything. But like I said, he had his own guys there. And then he started that tv and me and Tommy went off doing other things and everything and I never went back. But I mean, like I said, I was proud for him that he got developmental deal and he done good with that. He said, you know, he signed a contract with Vance, he made money off development deal. He went up there and done some stuff with him. And he's just good businessman for sure.
[00:31:57] Speaker C: Frankie Moore asks Doug, we all know about the on screen rivalry over the years and clearly Eddie was a big fan of Jerry Lawler prior to getting in the business. But what was their relationship behind the scenes once Eddie got in the business? And how did Eddie's view of Lawler change at that point and how did it change as they became rivals on camera and behind the scenes?
[00:32:20] Speaker D: Well, there was a. There was a lot of.
He respected Lawler a ton. And you know, and I mean watching growing up and, and seeing how he worked. Lawler was a great worker. I mean I just last night I was seeing Lawler and Plowboy phrase or actually Sam Bass and Plyboy Frazier against Tommy and Bill Dundee in 1976.
And, and Lawler hit the ring and they left Tommy Lane bloody and everything. And Tommy's partner was Jerry Jared. It was Tommy Rich and Jerry Jared against Plyboy Frazier and Sam Bass. And Tommy wound up pinning Plowboy and, and I was watching this and I'd never seen it before and I said the referee must mess that finish up. And. But that shows how what I knew about it. But, but anyway, Tommy. But I think Tommy put his feet on ropes or something. It was like a.
[00:33:23] Speaker B: No, he catapulted me with his big foot in that turn buckle and I just bounced back on. His leg was sticking up. I just bounced back on his leg.
[00:33:31] Speaker D: Yeah, that's it. But it was the simplest. But I thought it was Like a.
But I didn't see the referee because I was watching on my little. On my little phone. I said, my little phone, my iPhone. But it's hard to watch it with Tommy and Randy Hills's head sticking up in the corner to see the other part of it. But, but yeah, I thought it was a two count and it was a three count. So they raised Tommy's hand and everything. Then they started beating Tommy. They tied Jerry Jared to the ropes and with a bell and Lawler come out and Lawler beat the crap out of Tommy and Plyboy Frazier dropped like four legs. The thing about Plyboy was it didn't take him 10 seconds to get up and he dropped another leg. You've never seen nobody seven foot tall and probably 400. He's probably 400 something pounds. What he taught me.
[00:34:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean he was, he was a big boy and he. We were talking about that on the show, I mean on the show last night about just how quick I made. He was. For a big old fella, he could sure move quick. And to lay there and watch that big leg come down towards your head. You wanted to get up and run, but you knew you couldn't.
[00:34:38] Speaker D: Tommy said. Tommy said the ham hock was coming down towards.
But, but anyway, now get back to the subject. Eddie and Lawler's relationship.
You know, Eddie really respected him and I think we all did that. Grew up watching him and, and everything as far as him being such a good worker and everything. But you know, they had their own knobs like myself and Lawler did. But, but, but I mean, you know, they work so good together. And one of the biggest compliments that, that. And Eddie would love this. He heard this was after he passed away and everything. But Law told me, he said, you know why I like, I like to work with Eddie so much. And I said, why is that? He said, because he reminded me of me.
Yeah, and that would have made Eddie so happy and everything. And I think Eddie probably hear that and everything but that really, you know, met the world made just for him to say that. But I mean. And you know, like, I mean, Lawler always liked to work with Tommy. I mean, you know, I mean, Tommy do different stuff to him that nobody else would do to him that I would even think he would want to do to him. But, but I mean, he told me that Eddie reminded him of himself. So to me, that was one of the biggest compliments.
[00:36:03] Speaker B: Oh yeah, and he did. I mean, you've seen a lot of Lawler In. In Eddie. I mean, because like you said, he grew up. I mean, he's at the Memphis Coliseum every Monday, and when he go on Tuesday and Wednesday, and, you know, Lawler would be. And all them towns and. And he'd be out taking the pictures and stuff. So, I mean, he grew up and then Lawler was the big dog back then, too, so he. He was the man to watch. I mean, and.
[00:36:27] Speaker D: And, you know, I mean, he took all them pictures. Lawler wrote all them stories and got Law in the magazines and. And everything. And, you know, I mean, as far as he'd send Bill after Bill after.
Sure. Put everything in that, you know, that Eddie would send him in. Eddie send them to different guys. Like when a Joe Napolitano, I think. Gene.
[00:36:48] Speaker C: Yeah, George.
[00:36:49] Speaker D: George. Joe.
[00:36:50] Speaker C: Listen to me.
[00:36:51] Speaker D: Joe. George. Napoleon's high.
[00:36:52] Speaker B: No.
[00:36:52] Speaker D: And I was trying to think there was one other guy, but the George and Bill and George was the main two. But there was one other guy. I can't think of his name right now.
[00:37:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I was thinking that as you. As you were saying that, you know, Tommy was kind of the same way, because Tommy jokes on here about, you know, you should not get along with Lawler, but now. They get along pretty well now.
[00:37:13] Speaker B: But.
[00:37:13] Speaker C: And then, you know, you mentioned you and Lawler's relationship was like that. But I think that's why y' all are always able to draw so well with him, is those times where there was that element of you're a little bit hot at each other. And we're really kind of saying some of this stuff right now is what really made it real for everybody a little bit.
[00:37:31] Speaker D: He on the thing, somebody sent me the other day, he said that.
And I asked him about this the other day. They sent me a guy sent me something on messengers, and it was a shoot interview law done with Rob Feinstein. It said that different guys, people think we all like each other. In which, at the end, Rob asked him about me and he said, you know what? He said, everybody thinks we're all just good friends and everything. He said, Doug Gilbert called my house one day and threatened to kill me.
And he said, and, you know, if I don't ever talk to him again, that's fine. He said, if he don't like me, that's fine. He said, but people think we all like each other and we're all best friends. He said, but that's not the case with most of us.
Some of us are friends, he said, but some of us don't like each other.
And. And I popped. And after that guy sent me that, I called Law. I said, I just listened to a dying promo.
[00:38:34] Speaker B: You did?
[00:38:35] Speaker D: I said, did I call and threaten to kill you? He said, what are you talking about?
I said, at some point, did I call and threaten to kill you? Then I kept thinking when me and Tommy was on that three way call that day, Tommy, did I threaten to kill him or.
[00:38:53] Speaker B: You had a couple of choice things. You told.
[00:38:56] Speaker C: I think I remember you telling. I don't know if we were recording at the time, but I remember you telling the story where y' all were on a three way and you said something that insinuated you might do something along those lines. I don't know those exact words, but.
[00:39:08] Speaker D: Well, yeah, but on that shoot interview, he said, I threatened to kill him. Because I thought, wow, I might have said that. But anyway. But he was funny. We both started laughing, though. That was the, the funny part of it and everything. But. But yeah, but I mean, and a guy asked me last night, Jeanne said that, that when you said that stuff about Lawler, that was all the work, wasn't it? I said, yeah, it was all the work.
And he said, but everybody believed it, didn't it? I said, yeah, everybody believed it. I said, even Tommy?
[00:39:42] Speaker B: Yeah, especially TV that day.
[00:39:45] Speaker D: That's what I'm talking about.
[00:39:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:39:48] Speaker C: I was like, wow, that's my favorite part of it, always has been, as we were watching it that Morning Live is you're just like, all right, this is happening right now. This is, this is happening.
[00:40:05] Speaker B: I was dumb fab is what I was.
[00:40:07] Speaker D: Hey, you know what Tommy's saying? Tommy was shaking his head, saying, he's costing me more money right now again.
[00:40:17] Speaker C: Well, we're, we're gonna dig into that one of these days, I promise, folks. Y' all keep asking for it. We'll, we'll get there.
Philip. Hugh, this is kind of an interesting question with. There's been a lot of this going on. I don't know how much you guys keep up with current wrestling, but Philip Hughes asked, how do you guys feel about celebrities being allowed to get in the ring and have full blown matches these days with main event talent and big promotions, do you feel it diminishes or exposes the business or at this point, are we well past that?
[00:40:48] Speaker B: Well, I think, I think when Vince come out, said it's sports entertainment, I mean, that pretty much. I mean, it's, it's, it's like a different world now than what we. I don't think that would have happened Back when we was, you know, when we was working territories and stuff. That. That didn't. I mean, it didn't happen. I don't think, you know about. Well, I say it didn't happen.
I was just having to flip through the TV today and I've seen this show called Territories and it was Lawler and Jared and all them that they were showing that angle with Andy Kaufman and I guess actors did get it sometimes back then.
[00:41:23] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. And that, that to me, that was the. Is the greatest. Anybody can say whatever they want, but that was the greatest ever, like crossover TV guy to wrestling.
[00:41:35] Speaker B: Oh, they lied. I mean, and. But he sold it so good. I mean, I got. I mean, because I had never watched the whole thing and I, I got to watching it. I mean, I didn't realize he wore that collar. He wore it. He.
[00:41:47] Speaker D: Everywhere.
[00:41:48] Speaker B: Like four, four weeks or something that did a show. Taxi was starting back up. He even wore it on the show Taxi. You know, he wore the collar on the end. I made some. He sold it. I mean, you know, he, you know, it's like I said. I mean, he, he was a big fan, but he, he was a believer too. I mean, on Dave Letterman show, Lawler getting up, you know, he'd ask Lawler about would he slap him. And Lawler said, no, I don't think I can do that. I get arrested. And it ended up Law did. At the end of the thing. It was about over. Lawler got up by me, slapped the dog pink out of him. He slipped over in that thing. I don't know if they was working it or not, but it sure sound like he slapped dogs. Speak out of it.
[00:42:29] Speaker D: Oh, oh, oh, he did. And. And the, the thing about it is, is he. And he went on to say that before he died, that Lawler is what.
What caused him to die and everything. I mean, you don't think he didn't.
I mean, he didn't. I mean, he really loved the business. I mean, he wore the neck brace. Not only. I mean, I'm talking about everywhere he went, he wore that neck brace.
[00:42:51] Speaker C: Didn't he spend a week in the hospital and empty. Like they tested him like we can't find anything wrong. And he's like, well, keep checking.
[00:42:58] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. And he paid for. And he paid for it.
[00:43:01] Speaker B: He paid for the hospital.
Yeah. The ambulance, everything. All of that stuff.
[00:43:07] Speaker D: That's what. Because they was telling him to get up because they wasn't gonna pay for the ambulance.
[00:43:12] Speaker C: That's the best part of that story.
[00:43:14] Speaker D: Yeah, that's That's.
[00:43:15] Speaker C: I said, the ref kept coming over. Lawler, he wants an ambulance. Lawler's like, tell him to get his ass out of the ring. We had a curfew and he come over, he wants an ambulance. Like, tell him to get out of the ring and he comes back, he'll pay for it. Call an ambulance.
[00:43:25] Speaker D: Hey, and, and here's the thing. He never cashes checks.
[00:43:29] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what they, they had him. They found him after he died. Every one of them never.
[00:43:34] Speaker B: Right?
[00:43:35] Speaker D: What about that Tommy? He never cashed a check that Jared giving.
[00:43:39] Speaker B: Ain't that a better man than me? I cashed all of mine. You better.
[00:43:44] Speaker D: Well, I can say this. I kept six checks one time, and then Jerry called me and he said, duh. He said, are you, you not cashing your checks for some reason? And I said, well, yeah, I'm just say I'm just saving them. And he said, well, have you ever thought about if I went out of business?
And I said, well, I don't think you're going out of business, are you? He said, no, I'm not going out of business. He said, but you're getting my accounting books off.
And I thought, ain't that something, Tommy? That's a different, a different type deal, ain't it? But I mean, I was just putting them, you know, it had. Had them in a drawer and everything, but to me that was just like saving them. I guess I should put them. Just went ahead and put them in the bank, but I just put them in the drawer. And so.
[00:44:40] Speaker C: So next up we got.
[00:44:43] Speaker D: But see, and that's why I didn't think Steve Austin then was having such a hard time. But then again, they wasn't at home like me and Tommy was at home. That's.
[00:44:51] Speaker C: Yeah, that's a lot of. Yeah, that's a big, big part of it right there. If you gotta stay somewhere every night, you know, and you know you got a home to go to, that's. That's a, a huge expense right there, right?
I'm not sure. So gaijin, Is that how you say that term for Japanese wrestling when they call what they call gaijin? Master sent this question in. Doug, do you have an all time favorite match of yours that you had in Japan?
[00:45:23] Speaker D: I would say as far as. Is, I love me and Brian being in the tag team tournament that year together, that I took him over there. That was the only time he went to Japan.
I love that. But as far as the. Probably the most famous match that I was in over There was the Kabuki retirement match. Me, Kabuki and Terry Funk and a six man at Cork and Hall. Sold out. And that. That's probably the most famous match. And I won the IWA title over there. And it was in a.
It was held up and they done a.
One of the things where they got the ladder and the belts on top of the, you know, thing and everything. There was like 14 of us in there, and that's where I want it at and everything now. I really love that. And I had good matches with Bill Demont when I worked with him a lot over there, and he was crashed the Terminator.
[00:46:24] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:46:25] Speaker D: And everything. And I was trying to think.
I worked with Dan Severin over there, and that was a freaking.
You might as well be ready to fight. Because he thought. He told me before we went to the ring, he said, doug, I'm more nervous. I said, man, everything's gonna be good. And he's. Oh, no, you don't understand. I'm more nervous wrestling than I am fighting. I thought, oh.
And he threw me. He suplexed me from the middle of the ring, and my lower back hit the second rope and my butt was above the top rope. Or hold on. My higher back was on the second rope and my butt hit above the top rope. And then I just flopped back in the ring. And I thought, oh, my goodness, he is fighting. This ain't and everything. But that was a different experience. But, but, but Dan was cool, but like I said, he was nervous. He said he was more nervous wrestling than he was fighting.
[00:47:19] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:47:20] Speaker D: That's a different. That's a different thing. And then I wrestled Kabuki a lot over there, and that was. I had so much respect for him and everything, but it was like, you know, Kabuki and the. The guys that I grew up watching and everything, and it was so over over there. That was, you know, a lot of great match. And two, like me and Corporal Kirschner being tag team champions. We wrestled a lot of different teams and stuff. And I liked all those matches and everything, like I said, probably the most as far as. If you say famous one, that. That I think about was like, being in there with Kabuki and Terry Funk and Kabuki's retirement match at Cork and Hall, and it sold out. That was really cool.
Yeah.
[00:47:58] Speaker C: I mean, you can't be teaming with those guys and the Terry Funk having, you know, such a connection with your family and everything.
[00:48:06] Speaker D: Yeah. And then there's one more. Mr. Danger. We had a lights out. You Know, here, lights out. This means, I mean, lights out, anything goes over there. They turned all the lights out at Cork and Hall. I mean, it was pitch black dark. I didn't know that's what it meant before we went out. And I go out and the lights are all off and like the only lights, you know, like, were you going up and down the aisles for the seats for people to get up, you know, on the floor there was lights like right there. But I mean, it's like pitch black dark. And the only thing you can see is the, like the camera guys when they're shooting, shooting, you know, you could see and everything and, and they would like blink up a lot on every once in a while so the fans could see where we was at and everything. They had a camera following us around with a lot on, just on us and everything. But it was pitch black and Cork and hall and that Mr. Danger hung me from, like from the bleachers, from the top of the bleachers and, and kick my legs out and it was a chain around my neck and I thought, oh my goodness, I hope my head don't come off. But that was kind of a cool, kind of cool deal. Also.
[00:49:16] Speaker C: I've seen some clips of that. It's. Yeah, it's, it's kind, it's a cool effect. I mean, it's hard. It's hard match to watch, but it's a cool effect. As like you say, it lights up at different times. You're like, oh, there they are.
[00:49:25] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:49:26] Speaker C: So this guy's asked us a few questions over the different shows. Marty Confetti asks, Tommy, during your time as Thomas Rich in wcw, you had some matches with Oz, AKA Kevin Nash. Do you have any memories or stories about working with Kevin Nash? And were you surprised he went on to be as big a star as he was?
[00:49:49] Speaker B: I mean, he got, he got the big push. I mean, he come in and of course that Oz thing didn't get over. You know, the Oz thing didn't work for him. But I mean, when he went on, he got, you know, he got a break. I mean, and I didn't, you know, I didn't know Kevin that good, so I don't know nothing about him.
[00:50:08] Speaker C: Yeah.
Here's a question for both of you guys. Danny Andrews asks in your opinions, what made Jimmy Hart so much better than the majority of other managers in Memphis over the years?
[00:50:23] Speaker D: His energy. And he knew. And Lawler coached him on everything that he done.
[00:50:30] Speaker B: And plus. And Jimmy do anything you want him to do too. I mean, Jimmy Trooper. I mean, anything he was asked to do, Jimmy was the first one in line to do it.
And he go, like they needed for a radio, he'd be the first one there, you know, I mean, Jimmy just did what needed to be done. And plus, like they said, I mean, he could talk. I mean, he was a whole package.
[00:50:53] Speaker D: Yeah. And like I said, he was coached by Lawler. And, you know, Lawler knew as far as the singing and with it. I mean, with the singing, he could talk and everything. And to all the videos, like, he was the first one that done the videos with all the guys, with Tommy, with him, with, you know, with Lawler, with everything, like. And the stuff with Lawler and songs, Bad news and all that stuff. I mean, Jimmy done all that. All that would have never been done if it wasn't for Jimmy Hart.
[00:51:21] Speaker C: And kind of, to your point, Tommy, didn't he kind of earn his way in doing all those things? Like before, before he was ever a manager, got in front of a camera, he was going around helping promote, doing the music stuff, getting them buildings and stuff like that. It's my understanding, anyway. And that's kind of. Lawler brought him on in as a manager at some point, but he was already, like, heavily involved in the promotion.
[00:51:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, but. And. And of course. And Jimmy was a fan, too. I mean, he, you know, he grew up watching it, too, right there in Memphis. I mean, and I guess in, like Dougie said, I mean, I didn't know, you know, Lawler got him and, you know, I mean, they just. They click together. And of course, Jimmy would tell all of them what. What he thought. Where we tell him what we thought.
Yeah. Give it a little nicer than we was, you know, we want to say something. We said it.
[00:52:15] Speaker C: All right. Since we're covering 1991 on my other show, I'm gonna go ahead and ask this question. I don't know how this is going to turn out, but Jeffrey Dale asks.
Doug, I know you made it pretty clear in a past episode that you're not a fan of Eric Embry, but when Embry was brought in in 1991 to book, how did Eddie get along with Embry initially? And what did Eric think? Or what did Eddie think of Eric's booking?
[00:52:41] Speaker D: I shouldn't even say this, but he's just a big piece of.
And we might need to edit that out, because I probably didn't need to say, but then again, you might not need to edit either one of them out.
[00:52:53] Speaker C: But, I mean, you won't Be the first person to have that opinion. So.
[00:52:57] Speaker D: And if. But like I've said before, and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, if you do not mean it that in a disrespectful way, but if a guy stinks and don't take baths and smells and it's just freaking.
I mean, that. Yeah, just. And you smell. I mean, he puts his stuff on. When you work with him in the ring, he freaking just smells awful. I. I've got no respect for a person like that.
[00:53:26] Speaker C: Yeah, well, because they have no respect for themselves and no respect for the guys that have to get in there and work with them. And he's supposed to be the booker and the boss. Like, that's crazy.
[00:53:37] Speaker D: But, you know, the people that likes him didn't have to see that side of him like we did.
[00:53:42] Speaker C: Yeah, but as far as the booking side of it goes, his ideas, he comes in, he wants to do this Texas versus Tennessee thing. That. That rocked on for quite a while around there.
What did. What did you guys think of that?
I mean, do you think it had potential or was this kind of like, all right, I guess this is what we're doing.
[00:54:01] Speaker D: Well, we're just gonna try. We're just gonna make the best out of it that we could. And then I. I left and went to Puerto Rico. I couldn't take it anymore. And I left him in Puerto Rico and I stayed over there about. I think it's two and a half months or something like that. And then I come back and I work with him a couple weeks, but I was never a fan.
[00:54:25] Speaker C: Yeah.
Did you have any dealings with him, Tommy?
[00:54:29] Speaker B: No, I wasn't just. Just in pass. And I was never, you know, I was never a fan anyway.
You know, I probably say he didn't like me. Well, I didn't like him either. So, you know, it just.
And then that's one of the things. Like, me and Lala had that love, hate relationship, but it was. It was business and we got bad. And, you know, any way I could help Jerry now, I would, but Eric Emery wanted. You know, I have no use for.
You know.
[00:54:59] Speaker C: A couple more quick questions. We're gonna wrap this one up.
Evan Edwards asks of both of you, who is someone in wrestling who was legitimately tough? That might surprise some people who might assume they weren't.
[00:55:14] Speaker D: Tommy.
[00:55:17] Speaker B: Shoot. When you go back to me, I mean, you talk about Danny Hodge. You knew he was tough.
[00:55:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:55:22] Speaker B: I mean, you knew all them guys was.
[00:55:24] Speaker D: Well, I. I'm Gonna tell you what I'm gonna tell you two is, I don't know if.
I mean.
Well, maybe they did think they was tough or tough or maybe they didn't because the way they look, Bobby Eaton was one of the toughest guys. Yeah, that they, that there was. Dennis Condrey was one of the toughest guys that there was. If you, if you was in a, in a fight, you'd want Bobby Eaton on your side and you want Dennis Condri on your side. And I tagged with Dennis working for the Savoldies up there. And, you know, we was called the Lethal Weapons and we, I think you put a few matches on, on our page of that and everything. Now, Dennis was one tough son of a gun. What he. Tommy.
[00:56:06] Speaker B: Yeah, Dennis. Oh, yeah, that made one punch. I seen him hit somebody one day. Just knock, laugh out.
[00:56:14] Speaker D: And also I, I travel with Murdoch a lot and. And you wouldn't, if you looked at him, you wouldn't have thought he was, you know, he could do that. But one punch, he'd knock people slap out. I mean, just, I mean, just.
There was many bars that me and him sit in at night and people would come up and say stuff that they shouldn't have. Then, you know, they. He didn't play that.
And I mean, he'd get right up and stand up and he wouldn't hit him, but about six inches. I mean, a punch six inches and just knock a guy flat out. So that would tell you that was. But, I mean, there's a, there's a ton of guys, Gene. There's a ton of guys like that.
[00:56:53] Speaker C: I think that's kind of what maybe what they were leaning towards because, like, everybody talks about, you know, Bobby Eaton's one of the smoothest wrestlers ever, best workers.
But you don't hear like, man, that was a tough son of a gun. Like you hear about, like Haku and you know, some of the people you typically hear that stuff about. So that's, that's fun because I did know Kandre. I've heard a lot. There's some pretty famous stories about Dennis Condrey just laying some people out. Like, say that short punch he had.
[00:57:19] Speaker D: Oh, I mean, Bobby would lay him out too. I mean, Bobby would freaking fight in a second. I mean, if somebody freaking done something or. I mean, Bobby was so laid back. But I mean, if a fan or something or somebody done something to him or said something, that Bobby was freaking double toe.
That's awesome.
[00:57:40] Speaker C: That's, that's, that's fun to hear because I mean, yeah, because Bobby was in it from when he was just a teenager, so I guess.
[00:57:47] Speaker D: Well, him and Tommy, those first ones, drinking them little short, them ponies. How many y' all get Tommy started?
[00:57:54] Speaker B: We started. We'd go from Nashville to Memphis. We started drinking eight pack a piece.
By the time we quit that tubelo trip, we was getting a case of the Pony Millers. That was three packs a piece. Yeah.
[00:58:08] Speaker C: Oh, my goodness.
One last question. This one's kind of interesting. I'm. I guess they're saying more in the early part of his career when there was people like Steve Austin, for instance, who may have took him the wrong way. But Chuck the Truck asks, do either you feel it would have benefited Jeff Jarrett to have been brought in under a different name and not acknowledge he was Jerry's son the way that Lawler did with Brian later on? Or did too many fans already really know Jeff and Jerry's relationship at that point? Even fans.
[00:58:40] Speaker D: Actually, I don't think they knew Jeff and Jerry, but. But they couldn't have been apart, I think is why they just went ahead and done that. But I think it would have been real good if. If they could have done that. And sometimes I wish I could have done that with, you know, as far as myself and change my last name because it's hard, I mean, man, you know, to step in your. In the shoes of your, Your. Your dad or your brother or everything, and it's just. I think it's easier and I think it's better. Like Brian and Lawler done it. I. I just think it's, you know, you're standing on your own two feet.
[00:59:24] Speaker C: Tommy, do you have opinion?
[00:59:30] Speaker B: Well, see, I was around. I mean, like in Jeff.
Jerry wasn't ever around Jeff a whole lot. Like when I was starting the business, you know, they, like, him and his wife were separated. Jeff wasn't around the business. I'm sure that was another reason. When he got into the business, Jerry wanted to be everybody to know that that was, you know, his kid too. I mean, because. But like I said, I mean, Jerry used to come watch my football games and never did. It was later that I even knew he had key, you know, two boys.
[01:00:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know. I thought that was an interesting question because I always thought it was.
You know, some people knew that Brian was. Was Jerry Lawler's son, but the majority of most fans didn't. At least not early on until much later.
And, you know, Jeff had an uphill battle, you know, because people always use the. The Gulas example and things like that. But you know, he was always Jeff was.
[01:00:31] Speaker D: They didn't ever find out that Tommy was the son, did they?
[01:00:35] Speaker C: To this day, he's still using that rich name.
Oh, that would explain a lot of. A lot of them titles there, Tommy.
[01:00:42] Speaker D: But.
[01:00:45] Speaker B: That'S why I was a pretty boy.
[01:00:48] Speaker D: Well, I said he was his boy, didn't I?
[01:00:50] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, you kind of gave it away earlier, Doug. We just didn't know exactly what you meant.
[01:00:54] Speaker B: But.
[01:00:56] Speaker C: Well, as always, that's been a fun, fun show and we appreciate everybody sending in the questions.
[01:01:01] Speaker D: Hey, man, it's been great and I hope you still got more questions. You mean Tommy. Love doing this. I love answering questions and everything, but like I said, Wednesday night, Henderson County Fair election, Tennessee. Come see myself Wildfire, Tommy Rich and a lot of the superstars around the area. There'll be five big matches.
September 12, Ripley, Tennessee. September 13, Dyersburg, Tennessee. September 14, West Tennessee Comic Con, Jackson, Tennessee at the Carl Perkins Civic Center. September 20, the Banana Festival in South Fulton, Tennessee from 11 to 2, wildfire, timing, risk, Dangerous Jerry the King Lawler, Jimmy the Mouth, South Hart will be there that night. Me and Tommy will leave and go to Paragould, Arkansas, September 20th, that night, Paragould, Arkansas. We'll be going over there. We'll get there about five. We'll do a sign in from. I think it's five to seven and then we'll be wrestling after that.
But this Paraguard Arkansas at the Green County Fairgrounds, everybody come on out and see us. Me and Tommy be signing pictures, signing pictures, taking pictures with everyone, whatever you got. If you got any old stuff you want us to sign, bring it out. We'll sign it also and everything. We've got a lot of new pictures for everybody and shirts. We got our Memphis Mafia shirts with us and everything and we got all the merch. Got anything you want, but anyway, listen, man, Gene, I've had a good time on this show tonight, Tommy. I hope you have and everything, but man, listen, everybody be cool and we appreciate you listening and peace. We're out.
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